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Jun 24, 2009, 12:25 AM
 Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed?
Therein lies a big part of the problem. The "equivalent skills" part is so easy to manipulate, it might as well not be a "requirement." The hiring manager for a software firm (a friend of mine) told me how she did it. She figured out who she wanted to hire from, say, India. She then wrote a job description that EXACTLY matched that person's skill set and experience, point for point. She published the job ad and marked the resume of everyone except the target employee as "skills do not match job requirements" or something similar. Thus, she could "prove" that the person in India was the only person who met the job requirements. Oh, and that person in India was often coached on how to pad their resume. Little-to-no checking of the person's claims of skills and experience was done.
The same thing could be done with nurses: "The successful candidate must have XXX years in XXX nursing. They must have XXX certifications". And on and on, until the chances of finding anyone other than the already-chosen employee to match the job requirements would be just about nil. So the "equivalent skills" requirement is pretty much a joke and should provide US citizens with little confidence that jobs will only go to imported nurses if no US citizen with equivalent skills is available to take the job.
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Jun 24, 2009, 10:37 AM
 Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by javaline  the foreign nurse will have to learn a whole new way of life, the foreign nurse will have to learn the language, the foreign nurse will even have to learn how to get to and from work as well as being oriented to the floor, staff and so on
Having considerable knowledge of the American culture is priceless when it comes to bedside nursing.
That is something no experienced foreign nurse can bring to the table that a new graduate nurse could not.
I would love to hear others' opinions on their experiences working with foreign nurses and how those nurses interact with staff and patients in general.
I have encountered foreign nurses who barely speak a word of English. They speak in their native language to their foreign counterparts in the hallways and in a patient's room.
Do you think that is conducive to a healthy work environment 
Imagine how patients must feel hearing a foreign language being spoken by a nurse about to start their intravenous infusion.
I wouldn't take my vehicle to a mechanic who did not speak English, would you  | | No. 42 |
Jun 24, 2009, 11:00 AM
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Jun 24, 2009 at 11:07 AM by DolceVita
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by DIC Harwould Having considerable knowledge of the American culture is priceless when it comes to bedside nursing.
That is something no experienced foreign nurse can bring to the table that a new graduate nurse could not.
I would love to hear others' opinions on their experiences working with foreign nurses and how those nurses interact with staff and patients in general.
I have encountered foreign nurses who barely speak a word of English. They speak in their native language to their foreign counterparts in the hallways and in a patient's room.
Do you think that is conducive to a healthy work environment
Imagine how patients must feel hearing a foreign language being spoken by a nurse about to start their intravenous infusion.
I wouldn't take my vehicle to a mechanic who did not speak English, would you
I really don't like where this post is going. This seems like an open invitation to bash foreigners and use caricatures/stereotypes of non-american nurses as support for an argument to stop foreign nurses coming into the country. This is hardly the way educated professionals should debate.
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Jun 24, 2009, 12:51 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by ghillbert Sigh - this gets really boring. I'm sure this EXACT Obama quote was posted in an article previously and we already had this whole argument.
PS: EmilyLucille - a new grad is not equivalent to an experienced RN - the shortage is in experienced/specialty nurses.
Signed - a foreigner.
I have to agree with this fundamental point, that the shortage exists in experienced nurses. Unfortunate for the new grads, but if the post requires experience, the fact is that an inexperienced nurse without solid support and continuing education(which costs money) actually increases the risk to sick patients. You cant just have 'bums on seats' so to speak. But the new grads have so much potential to become experienced if only they had the infrastructure to develop this invaluable experience. I am Australian and worked in London in a busy trauma ICU, and as a foreigner, my experience was valued. Now back home in sydney, i support new grads that have been employed in our large ICU straight from uni. It can be very dangerous, if they are not adequately supported, so unless the education is invested in, i have to support experience wherever it comes from.
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Jun 24, 2009, 04:30 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by SFRN We ABSOLUTELY DO NOT NEED TO IMPORT any more foreign nurses, American educated nurses are finding it difficult to find a job!!! I was pleased to read the the President echoes what we already know---WE NEED to have more teaching facilities and educators to teach those that want to enter the nursing profession.
We don't even need more teachers and teaching facilities. New grads are having trouble getting hired now. The last thing we need is more new grads. And we also need no more imported nurses.
This is just another case of boss vs. worker, money vs. poor, power vs. wage slave. Those with money want to keep it, not pay it to workers (nurses).
I'm telling you, people, you had better write to your Reps and Senators TODAY and tell them nurses are abundant. We just need better working conditions and pay to find nurses right here in the good old US of A, to take care of ourselves.
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Jun 24, 2009, 05:51 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by Vito Andolini We don't even need more teachers and teaching facilities. New grads are having trouble getting hired now. The last thing we need is more new grads. And we also need no more imported nurses.
This is just another case of boss vs. worker, money vs. poor, power vs. wage slave. Those with money want to keep it, not pay it to workers (nurses).
I'm telling you, people, you had better write to your Reps and Senators TODAY and tell them nurses are abundant. We just need better working conditions and pay to find nurses right here in the good old US of A, to take care of ourselves.
sam74 Jun 24, 2009 5:52 PM GMT Okay bleeding hearts, here is the deal. It's called free market. You did shed these tears when the previous US governments shoved the free market principle and globalization down the throats of developing countries. So if Coke and Pepsi can sell their products for cheap in my country and drive local businesses out out, I sure can come to US and sell my services here. If you want $10 to do your work, I'll work for $5. If you find yourself outta work, well boohoo. No one wants to hear you whine. In this era of market liberalization no one is entitled to a job just because they were born in that area... Learn to deal with it. http://app.businessweek.com/UserComm...oductCode=spec
Reading about we do not need even new grad nurses or instructors, starts to sound like above argument taken from businessweek article.
Everyone is out for themselves, grab and run. These are very sad statements.
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