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    Quote from respectall
    as a american I am entitled to vote my president, entitled to own a home, entitled to hold an RN job because of my qualification, entitled to be a member of any religous and or political party, entitled to drive and own a car of my choice, And most of all entitled to be a free citizen of this great country of ours.....
    I think you are confused, there is nothing written into the constitution regarding employment or even driving. Having a driver's license like a nursing license is a privilege. So is home ownership ( although some perceived as an entitlement).

    You can vote after properly registered so that is not a entitlement but a right.

    I do believe religious preference is an entitlement.

    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

    I do believe all foreign nurses where invited by ONE employer not by the US government. There is a big difference, I don't believe there was a draft to bring foreign nurses to the USA, all did of free will knowing the consequences.
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    Grrr. Hospitals have to 'get off this having experience thing"? That really chaps my hide. So now, I'm not good enough because I have experience? Or do they only have to get over it when it comes to foreign nurses? What if the hospital has no experienced nruses? Then what?

    I think you need to understand what I was trying to state. Yes, your experience is valuable BUT, what I was trying to say was hospitals use the excuse in hiring a lot of foreign trained nurses based on their experience. Give American trained nurses the nod over foreigners because it is the right thing to do. Hospitals are still using the excuse of ONLY hiring experienced nurses even if it means turning down our own trained nurses. This is a pitiful ploy on their part to deny jobs that belong to nurses that are schooled here. Every post here that refers to having trouble finding a job always states the obvious, experienced needed! Hospitals would rather hire a nurse from wherever with a few years of experience who doesn't understand the language very well or local colloquialsm(sic) or has trouble expressing themselves over a new grad . Why? The bottom line is money. Cost to much to train a new grad over someone who supposedly can hit the ground running. So in the end who should they hire? I would always vote for the new grad over a foreign trained nurse even with a few years experience, every time. So unless you are one of those experienced nurses from outside this country, don't worry about it.
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    Your ignorance is astounding. Let me get this straight, according to your somewhat convoluted way of thinking:

    Quote from chulaRN2be
    The people that come from Mexico provide a great service to America
    But not those who come from Great Britain, Ireland, Australia, Belgium, Italy, France, Germany, Poland, Bulgaria, China, Russia, South Korea, Africa, et al?

    ONLY Mexico? And I believe the intent behind that proclamation includes both ILLEGAL as well as legal immigrants?

    Quote from chulaRN2be
    and ,unfortunately they make it so hard for people who really deserve to come and make a decent life here like my husbands and millions of others.
    They? As in the people of the United States of America "they?"

    The problem does not lie in government's immigration policy, the problem lies in the vast amount of undocumented Mexican nationals who cross the border illegally. These are not people with high-level education; they are not doctors, or nurses, nor engineers.

    Coming to America is not a right, graven in stone. The US works like other countries; we allow into the US (legally) those who have the education and skills that we NEED.

    Quote from chulaRN2be
    On the other hand importing nurses is hurting our economy because they are making the nursing shortage into A NURSING SHORTAGE
    "Making the nursing shortage into a nursing shortage?" How on earth did you get through nursing school without reading what you write?

    Quote from chulaRN2be
    nurses here should have first priority to jobs not foreigners.
    Then perhaps you should pack your husband's bags and send him home.

    Quote from chulaRN2be
    p.s. I never made racial slurs so do not make it out to seem that way !
    No one said you did. Your intent is crystal clear.


    Mike
    Carolina Nights
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    Quote from vivacious1healer
    In chicago there certainly isnt a need for more foreign nurse immigration as they out number most of us american RNs! Our new grads deserve a chance!
    And how many of your classmates were Filipino? Hmmm? How many were African, European, etc.? Do "they" qualify under your "us American RNs!" quota?

    And when you begin your career, how might you be able to tell if the Filipino or African or European nurses that you WILL be working alongside also went to school here, as opposed to the ones who went to school in their native country?

    Will you be able to separate them out based upon that criteria? Are you going to go around to each and every one and ask? Did you go to school here (you're okay) or in another country (I hate you, you're stealing our jobs!)

    The issue is far more complex than that, and cannot be settled using simplistic generalizations.

    You graduated from a nursing program. Use those critical thinking skill you were taught (and I assume, still retain.)

    Mike
    Carolina Nights
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    Quote from respectall
    as a american I am entitled to vote my president
    A right given to you by the Constitution of the United States of America (an entitlement) This can easily be removed (some U.S. states, also deny the right to vote to those convicted of serious crimes after they are released from prison, among other things.)

    Quote from respectall
    entitled to own a home
    A right given to you by the Constitution of the United States of America (an entitlement) Should you stop making your property taxes, the government is "entitled" to seize your home and sell it off.

    Quote from respectall
    entitled to hold an RN job because of my qualification
    A right given to you by the Board of Nursing of your perspective state. (an entitlement...not obligatory, nor nationwide, which can easily be removed from you, in some cases for life.)

    Quote from respectall
    entitled to be a member of any religous and or political party
    A right given to you by the Constitution of the United States of America (an entitlement)

    Quote from respectall
    entitled to drive and own a car of my choice
    A right given to you by the Constitution of the United States of America (an entitlement, which can easily be taken away from you by (yes, again) the government.)

    Quote from respectall
    And most of all entitled to be a free citizen of this great country of ours.....
    A right given to you by the Constitution of the United States of America (an entitlement. You can also be kicked out just as quickly.)

    Our country, like all others, is far from "free." Our freedom comes with rules and regulations (relaxed as opposed to others for sure, but rules nonetheless...(societal, moral, ethical, governmental, environmental, etc.)

    Sorry.

    Mike
    Carolina Nights
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    Quote from shodobe
    Grrr.
    Grrr?

    Quote from shodobe
    Hospitals have to 'get off this having experience thing"?
    Why?

    I sympathize with your plight, but again, it is not a simple as "blame only the hospitals." If I were a hospital administrator, I, too, would try to staff my hospital with the finest, most experienced nurses I could find.

    I spent 2 years in a LTC facility before landing my first med/surg position...and that was a loooooong time ago; before the "nursing shortage". Most of my classmates followed suit. We simply assumed that those years of experience would make us more attractive to hospitals.

    None of us thought we'd get on with one of the big hospitals right away (although we kept applying, and yes, a few were actually able to secure positions right out of school; they were the exceptions though, not the rule.)

    Quote from shodobe
    That really chaps my hide. So now, I'm not good enough because I have experience?
    Sorry about your hide. Of course your "good enough." You just don't have the experience...so GO GET IT. What's wrong with hiring on with a LTC facility, Dr's office, or 24hr Med Clinic? Go get that experience!

    Quote from shodobe
    Or do they only have to get over it when it comes to foreign nurses?
    These hospitals hiring foreign nurses aren't "getting over" anything. They are following the same path all large corporations follow, hiring headhunters to find nurses (yes, foreign nurses) with YEARS of experience. We aren't talking one or two years...I'm speaking in decades here.

    Quote from shodobe
    What if the hospital has no experienced nurses? Then what?
    Okay, now you're just being petulant.

    Quote from shodobe
    Give American trained nurses the nod over foreigners because it is the right thing to do.
    How so?

    Quote from shodobe
    Hospitals are still using the excuse of ONLY hiring experienced nurses even if it means turning down our own trained nurses.
    You said it yourself. Trained. Not Experienced. A world of difference.

    Quote from shodobe
    This is a pitiful ploy on their part to deny jobs that belong to nurses that are schooled here.
    No. This is not some behind-closed-doors conspiracy. We're not discussing "Who shot JFK?"

    Quote from shodobe
    Every post here that refers to having trouble finding a job always states the obvious, experienced needed!
    Every? You should know from taking the NCLEX to watch out for words like "every, all, never, etc." Obviously they're looking for experienced nurses. Wouldn't you? I sure would!

    Quote from shodobe
    Hospitals would rather hire a nurse from wherever with a few years of experience who doesn't understand the language very well or local colloquialsm(sic) or has trouble expressing themselves over a new grad.
    Now you're being simplistic, as well as moving into areas of racism, nationalism and ignorance. The percentage of foreign nurse you've describe is minuscule. And, it seems, we are back talking about Filipinos again.

    Quote from shodobe
    Why?
    Because, when the feces hits the fan, they want a nurse who has
    1) encountered the situation before
    2) enough experience to limit life-threatening mistakes
    3) enough experience to initiate immediate and life-saving interventions.

    I'm sorry, but that does not equal "graduate nurse".

    Quote from shodobe
    The bottom line is money. Cost to much to train a new grad over someone who supposedly can hit the ground running.
    Orientation is the same for either nurse, but a nurse that can "hit the ground running" is much more desirable to a nurse manger, yes.

    However, that is only a small part of a much, much larger picture.

    I don't have enough time to explain all of it, but any nurse with five to fifty years experience knows what I mean in relation to orienting a graduate nurse.

    Sorry, but I just cannot change that fact of life.

    Quote from shodobe
    So in the end who should they hire? I would always vote for the new grad over a foreign trained nurse even with a few years experience, every time.
    Why? Explain your reasoning, other than you are a graduate nurse looking for a job. What is the benefit of hiring a graduate nurse over an experienced nurse?
    Last edit by asoonernurse on Jul 1, '09
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