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No. 120
Old Jun 28, 2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by c_beshore_rn View Post
This country used to be great and invited people to come here for a new life!
This country is STILL great
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No. 121
Old Jun 28, 2009, 06:04 PM
Updated Jul 01, 2009 at 08:33 AM by NRSKarenRN

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Originally Posted by respectall View Post
Foriegn Nursing School is NOT in the bussines of Nurse exportation. For you to say that is ludicrous. Every educational Institution establishes career and profession to those who are willing to attain them. It is for the graduate to decide the distination he wants to be. Are you then saying that foriegn medical school are in the business of physician exportation? That is absolutely absurd! It is the country who demands nurses and doctors that attracts these professionals domestic and foriegn.
Yes there is a country where the population is around 100,000 and currently has an RN unemployment rate of 100,000 to 400,00 RN and another half million in nursing school. The curriculum is in English and the are, NCLEX review centers all over the place. Most doctors are trying to come into the US as RNs since the process is easier.



According the Medscape article:


Globalization of Higher Education in Nursing: Exporting of Education
From OJIN: The Online Journal of Issues in Nursing

"Exporting of Education in Nursing. Despite international differences in nursing education and practice, a number of mechanisms allow nurses to migrate throughout the world. In some source countries, there is a deliberate policy of educating nurses for export. This investment in human resources can result in generous remittances to the home country. A strategic method of profiting from "surplus human resources" is to prepare migrants to find jobs abroad and contribute to the economy of their home country through remittances to family members. In developing countries, educated but underutilized workers are among the first to migrate when opportunities become available to them (Abella, 1997; Baumann, Blythe, Rheaume, & McKintosh, 2006; Blythe & Baumann, 2008).

In the 1950s, the Philippines began to prepare nurses for export, mainly to the US (Brush & Solchalski, 2007; Choy, 2004). Educated in English with American-based curricula, Filipino nurses have migrated to the Middle East and throughout the developed world. The Philippines Overseas Employment Administration has reported that nearly 88,000 nurses left the Philippines between 1992 and 2003, but this may be an underestimate (Perrin, Hagopian, Sales, & Haung, 2007). According to one source, the number of nursing schools in the Philippines has "increased from 170 in 1999 to 470 by 2005" (Alvez Tan, 2006, slide 4).

Following the example of the Philippines, the Indian government also supports the export of nurses (Healey, 2006, Thomas, 2006). The importance of this nurse export business is reflected in the rapid growth of nursing schools in India (Thomas, 2006). Many groups profit from this nurse migration. Khadria (2007, p. 1433) describes this process in India as "business process outsourcing." It includes a comprehensive training-cum-recruitment-cum placement for popular destinations like the United Kingdom (UK) and the US through a proliferating agency system. China and Korea are beginning to follow a similar path (Fang, 2007). The large population and growing tertiary education markets will facilitate this production of nurses for export."

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/576193_3
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No. 122
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 06:54 PM

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It doesn't mean that because they're educating more nurses that they are using thier colleges and university as a factory to produce nurses world wide. And in what form would this institution profit? Students apply to the program in their own recognisance for many reasons. And these reasons includes, economic freedom, broader knowledge of the profession, educational advancement, etc.
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 07:05 PM

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c beshore: YOU COULD NOT HAVE SAID ANY PERFECT. You are a true AMERICAN that actually give a damn about the welfare of those brave generation of WW II, KOREA and vietnam who sacrifice to make america THEE ONE AND ONLY GREAT COUNTRY! WHOA!!! It is now our time to help this aging generation.
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No. 124
Old Jun 28, 2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by respectall View Post
It doesn't mean that because they're educating more nurses that they are using thier colleges and university as a factory to produce nurses world wide. And in what form would this institution profit? Students apply to the program in their own recognisance for many reasons. And these reasons includes, economic freedom, broader knowledge of the profession, educational advancement, etc.
Some of these schools have not had one student be able to pass a local board or the NCLEX. The school would profit by the tuition they charge.

Nursing is a cash cow in some countries where there are not local boards or the NLN to protect the students. Many schools make promises such as PN programs while the country do not have PNs, Associate degrees when the home country doesn't support the ADN. Many of the nurses have to take jobs as CNAs or caregivers.

So in some countries these schools are scamming poor students for programs that will only take money from them without the chance of practicing nursing,

One country has 100,000 to 400,000 unemployed nurses and up to another half million in school, even if retrogression was lifted the USA could not accommodate all these nurses
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No. 125
Old Jun 28, 2009, 09:33 PM

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Nursing is a "cash cow" in this country. I don't know how many nursing students (RN) graduate from a program and don't know how to place a bedpan or shave a male pt. I asked a 3rd semester pt to take Mrs. SONSO to the BSC(she had a lt hip fx). I told her she'd have to pivot to transfer...the 3rd semester student looked at me and said??? I don't understand? We learned this stuff in kindergarten nursing back in the old days.

Thousands of Nursing students in America do not pass boards the first time, second time, third time....there are companies that make loads of money helping this students. Its not just foreign educated nurses
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No. 126
Old Jun 28, 2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by c_beshore_rn View Post
Nursing is a "cash cow" in this country. I don't know how many nursing students (RN) graduate from a program and don't know how to place a bedpan or shave a male pt. I asked a 3rd semester pt to take Mrs. SONSO to the BSC(she had a lt hip fx). I told her she'd have to pivot to transfer...the 3rd semester student looked at me and said??? I don't understand? We learned this stuff in kindergarten nursing back in the old days.

Thousands of Nursing students in America do not pass boards the first time, second time, third time....there are companies that make loads of money helping this students. Its not just foreign educated nurses
Look at the stats American nurses pass on the first try is close to 90% while foreign trained nurses is in the high 40'S%, https://www.ncsbn.org/1236.htm

I recommend to most of my students not to take a review course, and so far 99% have passed. The sad thing many of these foreign poor students are never eligible to take the NCLEX. In the US if a school had a 50% fail rate it would be closed.

Anyway this is getting off topic, Is there a need for new foreign nurses to immigrate, I say not until the US economy straightens out and the colleges fund faculty positions.
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexk49 View Post
I recommend to most of my students not to take a review course, and so far 99% have passed. The sad thing many of these foreign poor students are never eligible to take the NCLEX. In the US if a school had a 50% fail rate it would be closed.

Anyway this is getting off topic, Is there a need for new foreign nurses to immigrate, I say not until the US economy straightens out and the colleges fund faculty positions.
Really... you are getting WAY off-topic; does not sound right to have referred to them as 'foreign poor students'... and you're a teacher? Remember, America is a product of past generations of immigrants.
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No. 128
Old Jun 29, 2009, 12:08 AM
Updated Jun 29, 2009 at 12:54 AM by Carolina Nights

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Originally Posted by shodobe View Post
Sorry, still don't need you.
Originally Posted by shodobe View Post
Foreign nurses need to stay put in their own countries and not come here to take up space that American traines nurse need.
Am I to understand you feel the same about US nurses who travel to (or would like to travel to) work in countries such as Australia, New Zealand, and the UK? We AMERICAN nurses should "stay put" here in the US?

Did you think of that as well before you made those absolutely childish pronouncements?

As an American nurse, I would love the chance to work in any of those countries; however, if we follow your convoluted (and racially-tinged) line of thinking, we wouldn't be able to, now, would we?


Carolina Nights
US Born and Bred
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No. 129
Old Jun 29, 2009, 12:38 AM
Updated Jun 29, 2009 at 12:53 AM by Carolina Nights

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Originally Posted by chulaRN2be View Post
I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the Philippines...
I am at a complete loss as to what to say here...I really am.


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