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No. 110
Old Jun 28, 2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ghillbert View Post
So, they are actually inferior? Go and have a look at the definition of "racism".
Gotta agree. There's a fine line between wanting to limit immingration right now, due to the state of our economy, and just flat our hating immigration.

And that PP has crossed the line.
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No. 111
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chulaRN2be View Post
I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
How ignorant and sad of a person you are. How do you even know that they think they are superior. It's because they form "cliques" doesn't mean they dont like you. Where I work nurses and or techs form "cliques" because they happened to be comfortable talking about each others lives and stuff at work. And every individual are different. When you go to a party you would be more comfortable being with people you are close to like a best friend or roommate. The only difference with this scenario is the language used. When they spoke filipino it's NOT because they want to talk BAD about you. I have worked with filipino and spanish nurses and they are wonderful workmates. Yes they tend to speak in their language when they're amongst themselves, unless you want to butt in their business then drop it! I worked with foriegn doctors as well and often they speak their language in the hallway, Does it bother me, absolutely not! It does however when they write in their language which does NOT happen! Anyways, just relax they're not her to take your job. They are here to help alleviate our fragmatic health care. Get to know them at a personal level and you'll find that they are really wonerful person. If it really bother you when they speak their language then ask them kindly to at least minimize it.
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No. 112
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chulaRN2be View Post
I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
Whoever you are. you're mentality is DANGEROUS! and with that kind of mentality you're not going to get far. I served the Army in baghdad as a medic. I was a foriegner in their land trying to teach Iraqi medic stablish. I spoke ENGLISH most of the time behind their back and NEVER ones these men told me I offended them or that I was A rude SOB. This men spoke in broken english and mostly Irqi/kurdish when they are around and never did I fell scared or mistrusted. If you know someone at a personal level, language is never a barrier. Pls DONT make this foriegn nurses Enemy, they are our ally. If not for them who knows our gov might give us mandatory tour of duty in every LTCF very 6 months for 4 weeks. think about it
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No. 113
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by c_beshore_rn View Post
Obviously if there wasn't a need for "imported nurses" there would not be any "imported nurses" allowed to work in the US....I think all things have a purpose in our economy... Someone said it earlier---supply and demand. We demand them so other countries supply them. Its how this country was founded....WE WERE ALL FOREIGNERS AT ONE TIME! Unless ur a full blooded native american

The system is flawed. Obama should spend some of this economic stimulus money setting up grants for hospitals to create "new grad intern programs." All hospitals applying for this grant would recieve enuf money to support new grads in there training. They would sign on to work at a hospital for 1-2 years under this grant then when they were ready to fly they would have a couple years of experience to burst out into the world. EXPERIENCED in whatever unit they were trained. That way the hospital would not be burndened with the expense, the new grad gets experience, and holes can be filled where they need to be filled...... and the world would be a happier place.

I live in Missouri and we are always short! I work overtime galore, bust my rear, work short, break my back...blah blah blah. There are nurses in big city areas that can't find jobs but they are not willing to move and take the 25,000/year paycut to live in small-town USA. I say, bring on the out of country nurses or bring the big-city nurses here to no-mans land.
Originally Posted by Alexk49 View Post
Respectall, I was going to send you a Private message but you don't have 15 posts, I think you meant "slots" not "sluts" <g>.

I agree that Students often do better when working as a Nurses aide or tech. I teach in a part time program and many students can not give up their day job. Also in my area being a nurses aide on a unit does guarantee an offer as a nurse. I agree the students will learn to respect nurses aides.

In my area ECF positions are filled maybe they need to advertise in non shortage areas. Most ECFs depend on LPNs for the majority of their staffing so, foreign nurses would not be a good fit since the RN needs to know the ins and outs of the system which is not taught in their country.

ECFs and SNFs are second to a nuclear plant for regulations.
Maybe the problem is not so much of foriegn nurse recruitment, it's probably that many LTCF are utilizing LPN/LVN to cut cost? does anyone thought of this?
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No. 114
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chulaRN2be View Post
I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
Say you have persuaded someone from higher authority to get rid of all foriegn nurses in your Area. Now you have a job right? Then who's going to take the time to orient you if her/his work load is already saturated. How competent and safe are you going to be in delivering pt care to multiple pts?. Now the burden really goes well and beyond. First your hospital is going to go in diversion (cost thousands of dollars per hour) because of shor staffing. Second you're probably going to have to pull a double shift and overtine cause no one is going to relieve you. Third your CEO will make drastic measures in cutting cost by using cheap and useless equipments and freezing annual raise. Fourth, the vulnerable who are the sick eldelry and disable whos' going to take care of them. Ultimately your going to creat a catastrophe in your community and neighboring town which could then creat a domino affect causing a nation wide disaster!
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No. 115
Old Jun 28, 2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by respectall View Post
Maybe the problem is not so much of foriegn nurse recruitment, it's probably that many LTCF are utilizing LPN/LVN to cut cost? does anyone thought of this?
I think LPNs function wonderfully in a SNF, it would be nice to have more of a RN presence, with the economic times I don't see a move to more RNs employed, it would require that the Medicare regulations require it. I for see many nursing have less skilled labor ( some SNFS when allowed by the state) have med techs, not licensed nurses.
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No. 116
Old Jun 28, 2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by respectall View Post
Say you have persuaded someone from higher authority to get rid of all foriegn nurses in your Area. Now you have a job right? Then who's going to take the time to orient you if her/his work load is already saturated. How competent and safe are you going to be in delivering pt care to multiple pts?. Now the burden really goes well and beyond. First your hospital is going to go in diversion (cost thousands of dollars per hour) because of shor staffing. Second you're probably going to have to pull a double shift and overtine cause no one is going to relieve you. Third your CEO will make drastic measures in cutting cost by using cheap and useless equipments and freezing annual raise. Fourth, the vulnerable who are the sick eldelry and disable whos' going to take care of them. Ultimately your going to creat a catastrophe in your community and neighboring town which could then creat a domino affect causing a nation wide disaster!

Retrogression has been in effect for several years, unless a foreign nurses has special circumstances such as a special status, such as Canadian or Mexican TN visa , Australia's special arrangement , or last marrying an American Citizen there has been no movement of foreign nurses. Most reasonable people would endorse retaining current Foreign Nurses employment ( after all most have been granted permanent resident status) and the current visa situation . The nursing shortage situation has not worsen since retrogression if anything it has improved ( mostly due the economic situation). I think addressing the current faculty shortage would help to maximize the current shortage.

My last point is, I would ask that foreign nursing schools whose sole business practice is to export nurses become a NLN approved facility. This would end all speculation of the Foreign Nurses education, the faculty and clinical experience will be on par with the Americans. Of course the profit margins of these schools will be impacted but at least the graduates will have the credentials similar to their American counterparts.
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No. 117
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 03:37 PM

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what education of foriegn nurses do you have a problem with? There BSN program is the same as here in the US. So why would that be an issue.
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No. 118
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Old Jun 28, 2009, 04:14 PM

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Foriegn Nursing School is NOT in the bussines of Nurse exportation. For you to say that is ludicrous. Every educational Institution establishes career and profession to those who are willing to attain them. It is for the graduate to decide the distination he wants to be. Are you then saying that foriegn medical school are in the business of physician exportation? That is absolutely absurd! It is the country who demands nurses and doctors that attracts these professionals domestic and foriegn.
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No. 119
Old Jun 28, 2009, 05:21 PM

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WOW! I'm amazed and astonished at the eggheadedness of some of these posts!! What in the heck? When did white-supremecy come back into style?

I couldn't imagine being a foreign nurse that is brave enough to cross oceans and agree to live in a foreign country just to have a piece of the American Dream we take for granted! We squabble over not being able to make $60/hr and some of these other nurses have families that work and don't earn that in a month!

If you think that they come to America to steal our jobs or take over our "perfect" little country- you are ignorant! Recruiting companies go to these countries-well every country, and recruit nurses because there is a NEED! Maybe not in your area- but in a lot of areas throughout the country!

Most of the folks from the Phillipines, India, or wherever were asked to come here! If you were in a foreign country and had an opportunity to come to America for free and make enough money to support 2-3 generations of your family--you would do it too!! They are just like us--trying to get a leg up in the world. No one comes here to rape our economy! They usually come here for the opportunity.

If you traveled abroad to a foreign country where people had difficulty understanding you and the culture was so different, wouldn't you seek out other Americans to hang out with and converse with? What does the Statue of Liberty mean to you? What does freedom mean to you? They call this "the melting pot" for a reason. Maybe if you have a problem with it you should move to a more ethocentric climate?? Maybe Cuba?

People have died trying to make it to America!! This country used to be great and invited people to come here for a new life! Thats how we ALL GOT HERE!

THANK YOU FOREIGN-BORN NURSES AND OTHERS FOR COMING TO OUR COUNTRY AND REMINDING US WHY YOU CAME! THANK YOU FOR LEAVING YOUR FAMILIES, YOUR HOMES, AND ALL FAMILIARITY BEHIND TO TAKE CARE OF OUR FAMILIES WHEN ILL. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR CULTURE TO US SO THAT WE MIGHT SEE HOW OTHERS LIVE. U ARE APPRECIATED!
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