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  1. Dec 10, '12 by
    This whole thing is beginning to really tick me off. Specifically, the ignorant laypeople who are diagnosing Jacintha Saldanha with bipolar disorder or worse.

    Why is everyone assuming this poor woman was mentally ill? She was a NURSE. It is pretty unlikely she would have been able to complete four to six years of university education, learn at least two languages, emigrate to a foreign country, and have the skills and ability to do her job if she were insane. Not to mention the fact that the rich and famous get THE BEST of whomever is scheduled to work when they are hospitalized.

    The job is not easy, and being responsible for the glitterati makes it even more difficult. I know WE can imagine what it is like to go through the horror that is nursing school only to be continually treated like a muchacha while being constantly told that the slightest error not only jeopardizes our jobs but our career but I think most laypeople have no idea. To add insult to injury, the most highly skilled and competent nurses are rewarded for their efforts with the worst patient assignments imaginable.

    Anyone who had to go through the toxic excrement nurses go through just to take care of people, only to have it all taken away by a prank call would do the same. This woman was not mentally ill. It was a rational decision on her part. I do think that her being Indian had something to do with it, not only because she it's a different culture but because she probably knew she would get the lions share of the blame while chatty cathy who actually dished would be coddled by her mates.
    Last edit by gypsyd8 on Dec 10, '12 : Reason: vocabulary
  2. Dec 11, '12 by
    Quote from gypsyd8
    This whole thing is beginning to really tick me off. Specifically, the ignorant laypeople who are diagnosing Jacintha Saldanha with bipolar disorder or worse.

    Why is everyone assuming this poor woman was mentally ill? She was a NURSE. It is pretty unlikely she would have been able to complete four to six years of university education, learn at least two languages, emigrate to a foreign country, and have the skills and ability to do her job if she were insane. Not to mention the fact that the rich and famous get THE BEST of whomever is scheduled to work when they are hospitalized.

    The job is not easy, and being responsible for the glitterati makes it even more difficult. I know WE can imagine what it is like to go through the horror that is nursing school only to be continually treated like a muchacha while being constantly told that the slightest error not only jeopardizes our jobs but our career but I think most laypeople have no idea. To add insult to injury, the most highly skilled and competent nurses are rewarded for their efforts with the worst patient assignments imaginable.

    Anyone who had to go through the toxic excrement nurses go through just to take care of people, only to have it all taken away by a prank call would do the same. This woman was not mentally ill. It was a rational decision on her part. I do think that her being Indian had something to do with it, not only because she it's a different culture but because she probably knew she would get the lions share of the blame while chatty cathy who actually dished would be coddled by her mates.
    OK, this post has touched a nerve. Mental illness, including bipolar, does not stop somebody from going thorough university or being an excellent nurse. I work with highly qualified professionals who suffer with depression, bipolar or other "mental" conditions.I can assure you that it doesn't affect their work. Mental illness and "insanity" are also not the same thing, not by a long shot.

    I doubt "anyone" would do the same. I think there must have been an element of mental illness or whatever was there to make her think this was her only option. Of course, I don't know her, but I do think suicide is never a rational decision, and the kind of desperation that makes somebody think it's a good option is not the sign of a healthy mental state.

    Also, listening to the call, the second "chatty" nurse didn't sound British either, and I have no doubt that she would be the one getting the most blame- she was the person who was legally responsibly for the patient and her privacy.
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  3. Dec 11, '12 by
    OK, this post has touched a nerve. Mental illness, including bipolar, does not stop somebody from going thorough university or being an excellent nurse. I work with highly qualified professionals who suffer with depression, bipolar or other "mental" conditions.I can assure you that it doesn't affect their work. Mental illness and "insanity" are also not the same thing, not by a long shot
    Well said!
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  4. Dec 11, '12 by
    I did not intend to offend anyone. I am about the last person in the world who wants to continue the marginalization of the mentally ill. That being said, depression and bipolar disorder are two vastly different diagnoses, with different symptoms, different treatments, and different prognoses. Bipolar disorder is a disabling illness that affects every aspect of a persons life, including school and employment. I am not talking the legal definition of insanity, but the dictionary definition which is "the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness." They are, colloquially, the same thing.

    I do not think that there "must" have been an element of mental illness (insanity) to make her think that suicide was the only way out. In some cultures that is the rational response to being dishonored. India in particular has a very high rate of suicide, "among the highest in the world" according to Patel, V. , Ramasundarahettige, C. , Vijayakumar, L. , Thakur, J. , Gajalakshmi, V. , et al. (2012).

    The kind of desperation causes a person to consider suicide is extremely common for many people, however, and not necessarily the sign of a deranged mind. When a person feels trapped, as this woman most certainly did, its fight or flight. People who kill themselves are not automatically crazy. They are suffering, yes, but they are not crazy. It is opinions like this and the stigma associated with mental illness that discourage people from getting the help they need.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-kill-herself/


    Quote from KatieP86
    OK, this post has touched a nerve. Mental illness, including bipolar, does not stop somebody from going thorough university or being an excellent nurse. I work with highly qualified professionals who suffer with depression, bipolar or other "mental" conditions.I can assure you that it doesn't affect their work. Mental illness and "insanity" are also not the same thing, not by a long shot.

    I doubt "anyone" would do the same. I think there must have been an element of mental illness or whatever was there to make her think this was her only option. Of course, I don't know her, but I do think suicide is never a rational decision, and the kind of desperation that makes somebody think it's a good option is not the sign of a healthy mental state.

    Also, listening to the call, the second "chatty" nurse didn't sound British either, and I have no doubt that she would be the one getting the most blame- she was the person who was legally responsibly for the patient and her privacy.
    She may have been responsible, but would she be treated the same as an immigrant? I think not. As they say in sociology "check your privilege"
    Last edit by gypsyd8 on Dec 11, '12 : Reason: added pertinent link
  5. Dec 11, '12 by
    A huge number of Indian and other Commonwealth citizens have the RIGHT to live in the UK depending upon when they were born. So deportation isn't a valid fear for them. It's called "right of abode" and it's on my UK issued passport.
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  6. Dec 11, '12 by
    Quote from Fiona59
    A huge number of Indian and other Commonwealth citizens have the RIGHT to live in the UK depending upon when they were born. So deportation isn't a valid fear for them. It's called "right of abode" and it's on my UK issued passport.
    I did not bring up fear of deportation as an issue, but I find it interesting that you did. Maybe there was a previous poster that identified that as an influence?
  7. Dec 11, '12 by
    Quote from gypsyd8
    I did not bring up fear of deportation as an issue, but I find it interesting that you did. Maybe there was a previous poster that identified that as an influence?
    A few US posters did, if you read this entire thread and the other thread on this topic. Migration into the UK is very different from migration into the US. The US posters seem to think the hospital was dangling the threat over her head
  8. Dec 11, '12 by
    That's really sad that nurse died. I hope the other one is getting therapy. That prank call had such a ripple effect!

    Curious, what drugs would you use to treat hyperemsis that'd be safe for a pregnant woman?
  9. Dec 13, '12 by
    So very sad! According to the inquest the nurse hung herself! Jacintha Saldanha found hanged after royal hospital prank call | World news | guardian.co.uk
  10. Dec 14, '12 by
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...x-8414042.html

    One of the three suicide notes written by the nurse who took a hoax phone call at a hospital treating the Duchess of Cambridge was critical her colleagues, it was reported today.
    Jacintha Saldanha was found hanged in her apartment in the nurses’ quarters at the King Edward VII hospital last Friday following a prank phone call from Australian DJs Mel Grieg and Michael Christian.
    Yesterday a coroner heard that Mrs Saldanha left three suicide notes before she died.

    It seems that the hospital may not have been quite as supportive of Jacintha as they first claimed. It would be very interesting to know the contents of those suicide notes.

    I also wonder if it may highlight the treatment of nurses by hospital administrations?
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