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from LMT2LPN
Old Jan 07, 2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by creativemom View Post
Cleveland Clinic has been this way for years. If you go to apply for any job it states a disclaimer that they will be doing a nicotine test. If you fail then you are not hired but can attend smoking cessation classes and upon completion can retry the hiring process.

It only makes sense... if we're telling heart patients to stop smoking and then they see a nurse or doctor do it, isn't it silly?

Sort of like parents stating "do as I say, not as I do?"

Interesting! I didnt think a company could do this, but I suppose interview process in fair game. It is like some hospitals Ive heard of that reserve the right to charge you more for insurance premiums if you have health risks, like smoking, obesity, etc.
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No. 11
Old Jan 07, 2009, 07:46 PM

Default Re: Hospital extends smoking ban to nearby sidewalks
Originally Posted by creativemom View Post
Cleveland Clinic has been this way for years. If you go to apply for any job it states a disclaimer that they will be doing a nicotine test. If you fail then you are not hired but can attend smoking cessation classes and upon completion can retry the hiring process.

It only makes sense... if we're telling heart patients to stop smoking and then they see a nurse or doctor do it, isn't it silly?

Sort of like parents stating "do as I say, not as I do?"
That's very interesting. I don't see how it can be legal to discriminate against someone for doing something that is legal. (I DON'T SMOKE, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN NO ONE SMOKED, BUT...)

Do they also test for alcohol? How about a cholesterol level, or a blood glucose? I'm about as conservative as they come, but I have serious issues with that hiring policy!!!
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No. 12
Old Jan 07, 2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick1rn View Post
No, i have to disagree, If a person is in a wheelchair and they get hit by a car as they tried to cross the street, then they were stupid. Hospitals dont want people to smoke on the hospital property, then that is their right as a hospital. Hospitals do have nicotine patches and gum you know to help counter that urge. I used to smoke, i understand how addictive that urge is.
This goes back to instant gratification, they want that fix now, forget that they have to carry an IV pole and roll in a wheel chair. Maybe if they got hit by a car and died as a result, well, I guess its just sucks because it doesnt make much sense to go in a wheelchair across the street to smoke, your in the hospital to get better. If you decide you need a smoke that bad, try the lozenges or the gum or the patch. At that point, a person needs to realize that by going in a wheelchair across the street, Maybe it is darwin evolution at its best.. Stupidity kills. TOo bad
Did we forget to take our compassion pill this morning?

I agree it's pretty stupid to go outside, across the street, etc... just for a cigarette. Actually, I think throwing money away on cigarettes is pretty stupid too. But to basically say, "Oh well, too bad..."

Let's face it. We don't even let patients walk from point A to point B for fear that they might fall while under our care. (Pretty ridiculous...that's a whole new post topic). But it's okay to let them wheel themselves across the street with an IV pole and meds infusing? Come on now... Where's the logic?
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No. 13
Old Jan 07, 2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SoyLMT View Post
Interesting! I didnt think a company could do this, but I suppose interview process in fair game. It is like some hospitals Ive heard of that reserve the right to charge you more for insurance premiums if you have health risks, like smoking, obesity, etc.
But your premium is based on your risk factors. Basing a job offer on whether or not a person does something that they are legally entitled to do is discrimination.
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No. 14
Old Jan 07, 2009, 08:19 PM
Updated Jan 07, 2009 at 08:25 PM by HeartsOpenWide

Default Re: Hospital extends smoking ban to nearby sidewalks
In California the homeowner/commercial property owns the side walk. When the city widened the street in front of my parents house and put in sidewalks my parents had to pay to put them in and they have to pay to maintain it, and if they don't they can be sued by a walker (if there is a crazk in the sidewalk that they fail to fix and some one trips ect).

The hospital in my town has no smoking on campus and smokers have to smoke across the street as well, hospital personal are not allowed to assist patients out side to smoke; patients have to sign a smoking policy relinquishing all liability. Its a catholic hospital. The hospital that I am training with does not have this rule and will even accompany their patients outside.

California has a law that you can not smoke in any public place (including bars) or withing 20ft of a public building, but smoke drifts. If smokers have the right to smoke than non-smokers should have the right to not have to breath second hand smoke. Hospitals are heath care facilitates and should promote heath and should not be expected to provide their patients with "smoking shacks" or designated smoking areas; but if they choose to they need to still consider the health of the non-smoking patients.
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No. 15
Old Jan 07, 2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartsOpenWide View Post

California has a law that you can not smoke in any public place (including bars) or withing 20ft of a public building, but smoke drifts. If smokers have the right to smoke than non-smokers should have the right to not have to breath second hand smoke. Hospitals are heath care facilitates and should promote heath and should not be expected to provide their patients with "smoking shacks" or designated smoking areas; but if they choose to they need to still consider the health of the non-smoking patients.
I agree that we shouldn't have to breathe the second-hand smoke. When I am walking past all of those smokers on my way in, it's nauseating. That's one reason I advocate the "smoking huts" that we used to have. At least the smoke was semi-contained. It's like choosing the lesser of two evils. Most patients aren't going to quit smoking just because they are hospitalized (although it is an opportune time for counseling and an attempt to get them to quit). Option 1 is they keep their smoke in a contained location and don't have to fight traffic. Option 2 is they risk life and limb to wheel themselves across the street, and public relations with the homeowners across the street goes down the toilet. Personally, I think that for those die-hard smokers, option 1 is a better choice. Just my opinion.
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No. 16
Old Jan 07, 2009, 08:43 PM

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I do not care one little bit who is a smoker or who is not at work or in life but I do however have really strong feelings about patients smoking.
I object to people being ill enough to be in hospital needing expensive nursing/medical care going off the floor with and without an IV pole containing every IV known to mankind to go and stand outside smoking I firmly believe that pts who go off the floor to smoke should be discharged because they are obviously feeling better.

Sorry for my strong opinion I am trying hard to work on it
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No. 17
Old Jan 07, 2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by madwife2002 View Post
I do not care one little bit who is a smoker or who is not at work or in life but I do however have really strong feelings about patients smoking.
I object to people being ill enough to be in hospital needing expensive nursing/medical care going off the floor with and without an IV pole containing every IV known to mankind to go and stand outside smoking I firmly believe that pts who go off the floor to smoke should be discharged because they are obviously feeling better.

Sorry for my strong opinion I am trying hard to work on it
I understand your point to a degree. But to a smoker, the physical and mental act of smoking does make them feel better. If they rate their pain as a 10 while they are going through withdrawl, it might decrease to about a 5 after a cigarette. It's frustrating dealing with them as patients...I get them in stating they are in SOOO much pain, demanding to be seen NOW, but then they immediately want to go for a cigarette. It's a coping mechanism for them, but it drives me nuts.
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No. 18
from BizR32
Old Jan 07, 2009, 09:51 PM

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I came to the this site looking for info on case managers, medicare, observation vs. inpatient status, etc., for a new job. Then, I ran across this thread. I just had to reply.
Why is it that compassion only extends to alcoholics and drug abusers? Even employers set up programs for rehab from drugs & alcohol, plus you get to keep your job. These are mind-altering addictions. Possession & drunk-driving are illegal.
Admit that you are a smoker & you are fair game for diatribes about the evils of smoking. No one thinks twice about admonishing smokers, but will lend a compassionate ear to a drug user or alcoholic.
Yes, I am a smoker. But I am also very careful. I do not smoke around non-smokers, especially children. I have no problem following the rules. So why are we treated as 'lesser citizens'?
Would you deny a liver transplant to someone who has wine with dinner?
As far as patients smoking - they are under enough stress just being in the hospital. And you want them to go cold turkey? I'm not saying that they shouldn't be encouraged to quit, but let's deal with one stressor at a time.
We can put a man on the moon or Mars, but we can't provide a smoking area with adequate ventilation?
I think the bottom line is: where has compassion gone? And when did self-righteousness take over? As nurses, we are here to help & educate, not judge.
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No. 19
from debd72
Old Jan 07, 2009, 10:33 PM

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Exactly! Smoking has been seen as the ban of all existence for way to long. More deaths every year are caused by obesity and drunk driving/alcohol...and yet smoking is still seen as worse. The reasons for this are that the anit-smoking industry is promoting "facts" that aren't even true. They make claims that one in every three people who smoke are going to die. I have researched this as someone really close to me smokes and that figure is so far off that it is insane. As a matter of fact, the figures that are promoted about second hand smoke are even worse. They claim just being around one cigarette smoker is enough...one time. Pleeaaase! The real figure is not anywhere near that.

Okay...rant over. I just think that people need to know actual facts before they judge others.
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