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- Quote from HeartsOpenWideI totally get your respective, I really do. I was that petite nurse who "discovered" my pt was one through commons sense assessment and dealt with it with self-defense deescalation communication, then alerted the charge and administration was alerted. Not every predator is "caught."
Really? Lets just wait and see what he is going to do? Lets give the sexual predator a petite female nurse and only change assignments if he "tries something" and then we will deal with it. "We will cross that bridge when the time comes" doesn't work for everything.
Maybe the hospital took the wrong approach with the nurse and should have said, "we know this guy is a nut job, even if you feel comfortable in this situation we have an obligation to you safe and need to change your assignment" ... Race aside, the hospital also has an obligation to not just wait and see if a problem presents itself in a highly probable situation.
Having a swastika tattoo and refusing care by a color is threatening enough for me, I wouldn't want to even be in the same room as a person that had that type of hate me.
IF the hospital alerted the staff up front, much like the male did in this case, and gave that choice, it may be a different story...maybe not so much. The hospital violated the law plain and simple, and now they want to back track...too late for this hospital...too late
- Feb 17 by Mommy&RNIf you don't want me, that is perfectly fine with me. One less person to deal with their drama. Usually when a patient requests a different nurse, I see it as a benefit. Then we are both more comfortable with the nurse/pt relationship.
- Feb 17 by mclennanI think racism is an unfortunate, unavoidable component of the human condition. We are ALL racist in some form, to some level, in some way, even if it is not obvious. It is part of human nature. EVERYONE has biases based in their value systems, history, personal experience or visceral reactions. It exists in every person, no matter how leftist and liberal and pure and accepting and tolerant and humanist you THINK you are or CLAIM to be, no adult human is completely free of bias. NONE. PERIOD.
How each individual chooses to DEAL with their internal racism (or any "ism") is a different story.
Interestingly, as a person of color, all too often I find the MOST offensively racist people to be the ones who beat on their chests and claim NOT to be. Often white liberal intellectuals, in their Herculean efforts to make sure everyone knows how "non-racist," "tolerant," and "accepting" they are, they sometimes only achieve 2 things: A) dictating what is and isn't offensive to people of color FOR them (a blatant abuse of their white privilege) and B) putting the focus of the discussion on THEMSELVES, which only serves to marginalize people of color FURTHER.
Also, I often see guilty white liberal intellectuals dealing with their internal racism by "exoticizing" people of color, putting us on a pedestal to be treated as delicate museum pieces, for their reverence and pity. That is also racist, marginalize and de-humanizing. I experience some form of this and what I mentioned in the paragraph previous, pretty much every week. I am sure many non-white people know what I am talking about and can identify in some way.
That being said: these days, intellectual, institutional, insidious racism like I just talked about is just as harmful as the Nazi hick with a swastika tattoo who doesn't want the black nurse caring for his baby. Maybe it's not obvious, because one has a knife in its pocket and their other doesn't, but read and think hard about what I wrote. Harm is harm.
When that black nurse was on the clock, her job is to care for patients and make them and their families as comfortable as possible. It is not part of her job description to "educate" anyone in the spoils of bigotry or be a racial activist. Sorry. After that many years on the job as a black woman, she should be inured to this kind of behavior. It sucks, yes. It's stupid, sure. But it is such a pervasive fact of life in America that no single lawsuit is going to change jack. Lawsuits contribute to the problem by monetizing adversity and conflict rather than create an opportunity to discuss, dialogue and learn from each other. Why couldn't this nurse reach for a pen instead of a sword? Why litigation instead of discourse? People of color need to learn to fight for themselves at some point, instead of always being dependent on lawyers and organizations to do it for them. It only reinforces stereotypes and is self-defeating in ways we don't like to think about.
I echo MedChica's post when I say, if the hospital overruled this dumb bigot's request and she'd cared for the baby anyway, the family would have found some other way to externalize their ignorance and hatred toward her. Believe me, she was better off steering clear of this family. They would have made her life FAR more hellish than it is now. The hospital was protecting her and itself. I understand this nurse being fed up; we all get fed up, and we all feel entitled to something to compensate for feeling that way, but by dragging lawyers in and crying 'racism,' she is fueling her own marginalization, perpetuating stereotypes, monetizing adversity, wasting energy on trying to fight a very old battle that is designed to have NO victors, and generally taking a destructive, dependent approach to this problem rather than a constructive, independent one.
- Here's the actual court document:
Again, the hospital ultimately realized they could not do that...too little, too late...Forewarned is Forearmed, like I said in a post...you can't violate the 14th Amendment, and/or the Civil Rights act folks...that's the response if this "preference" comes up...no matter what the setting. "Preference" has its limits.
- Feb 17 by KelRN215Quote from kloneI agree. I can say with some degree of certainty that this request would never have been accommodated in my former [pediatric] hospital. That father would have been told "Jane is the nurse who is assigned to your child tonight and we are not able to change assignments based on racial preference." If necessary, this father would have been escorted out by hospital security and banned from visiting for the duration of the hospital stay with a security guard posted outside the child's door. I saw this happen several times in my years there though not because of racism or bigotry. Our hospital attorney was of the mindset that it is a privilege, not a right, for us to allow you to stay at your child's bedside. (In the NICU, parents were actually not allowed to stay.) If you are disruptive or prevent us from doing our jobs, you will be asked to leave and will be physically removed if necessary. We had times where we called the city police on parents.And if he made ANY kind of move or comment that could be deemed as threatening, he would be banned from the hospital.
You just can't make illegal policy decisions on "well, he MIGHT become violent". You do what's right, you do what's legal, and then you deal with him if he needs to be dealt with.
Though, while the hospital would not have accommodated this request, I'm sure they still would have posted the father's remarks from his customer service survey on the bulletin board at the nurses' station for us to see how horrible we are.
- Feb 17 by alodociosAs mixed African American/Puerto Rican, who looks like a light skinned girl with curly hair, I have come in contact with older patients who say things like, " that colored trumpet player," They were raised in a different era, and they had children and raised them most likely the same way they were raised. I wouldn't want to take care of anyone who didn't want me to take care of them. I would actually be thankful that my administration spared me the drama of having to deal with the ignorance and bigotry. I feel as if they were looking out for their nurse just as much as the desire of the patient. Could you imagine how they would have treated her and the kind of day she would have had. They would have accused her of doing any and everything they think would have gotten her hands off of their child and the nurse would have been in the horrible position of having to prove that her care was done according to the book, making sure she double crossed her t's and tripple dotted her I's. I think they did her favor, but for Blacks, racism is such a sensitive hot button issue and so deep rooted that you have to understand why she felt the need to fight against it. But i think she should back up and think of how ugly the situation would have been if she would have been forced upon patients who didn't want her. I think her hospital did her a solid favor, and I am a Black woman saying this.
- Feb 17 by alodociosMCLENNAN: If I had read your post first i would have just liked and kudo'ed you and saved my carpal tunnel for another day. So well said bravo!Last edit by alodocios on Feb 17 : Reason: grammar
- Quote from alodociosPardon me, but backing up would be allowing for a 14th Amendment and Civil Rights violation...just putting that in perspective...As mixed African American/Puerto Rican, who looks like a light skinned girl with curly hair, I have come in contact with older patients who say things like, " that colored trumpet player," They were raised in a different era, and they had children and raised them most likely the same way they were raised. I wouldn't want to take care of anyone who didn't want me to take care of them. I would actually be thankful that my administration spared me the drama of having to deal with the ignorance and bigotry. I feel as if they were looking out for their nurse just as much as the desire of the patient. Could you imagine how they would have treated her and the kind of day she would have had. They would have accused her of doing any and everything they think would have gotten her hands off of their child and the nurse would have been in the horrible position of having to prove that her care was done according to the book, making sure she double crossed her t's and tripple dotted her I's. I think they did her favor, but for Blacks, racism is such a sensitive hot button issue and so deep rooted that you have to understand why she felt the need to fight against it. But i think she should back up and think of how ugly the situation would have been if she would have been forced upon patients who didn't want her. I think her hospital did her a solid favor, and I am a Black woman saying this.
Allowing for something unjust to occur...once that happens, it goes downhill from there..we've had plenty of moments in history as reference. If we abhor when history "repeats itself," then these issues must be responded to appropriately When they arise, period. We can back down to injustice in my opinion.
- Feb 17 by Pets to PeopleWhy is there so much drama when it comes to racial issues involving african americans? As that is the one and only type of racisms that is wrong, or atleast the one that gets the most attention.
How in the world is it ok for there to be an african americans only dating website commercial, but if there was a caucasian only dating site commerical all hell would break lose?
I live in an area where, as someone who doesn't follow organized religion, I have been taught how to avoid/re-direct questions about my religion, otherwise I will end up with patients asking to be re-assigned because around here "They don't trust being cared for by someone who doesn't belive in god". This is considered not only perfectly acceptable in my area, to descriminate against me for my religious preferences, but is considered expected. I country was founded by people escaping religious persecution for crying out loud!
If someone has a preference on who they want to care for them why would you want to force them? Maybe it's not racist, maybe they had a bad experience with someone of a certain race or religion, then you want to force them to be cared for by that person. When I was a child my mother told me that a very dark, african american nurse came into the doctors office to give me a shot and when she walked into the room I screamed my lungs out, scared to death, because I had never seen an african american person before. Well, should that child be forced to recieve a vaccine by that nurse, or should you get another? I mean, if you don't force it, your just allowing that child to develope fears/predjudices, etc against african americans right?
But, yes, most of these cases are actual predjudices based on hate, and we are not going to change those behaviors by force, not at all, we will only reinforce them. It is a difficult situation, and it seems that there is no correct answer.
- Feb 17 by nurserobyn89Your thinking is completely flawed. There is a difference in not wanting a male nurse for "comfort" reasons such as activities involving where the genitals will be seen such as childbirth...bathing...young pediatric patients not feeling comfortable with men..ect...Those are the reasons that come to patients minds (not I dislike men)...its based on religious/cultural or experiences....this case is strictly a form a racism (I dislike this individual based on her ethnicity with no logical reasoning). I personally would not want to care for that man's child but the hospital is in the wrong for placing such a ludicrous and discriminatory note on the patient's chart. I don't think the nurse is necessarily upset about the fact that the man refused her services but moreso regarding the hospital's actions in blatantly condoning discrimination. I would file a grievance as well and if you feel you are being "discriminated" against you should do the same sir and not believe that others should act or interpret situations in a similar matter as you. It is obvious you are not a minority either based on your response and lack of empathy/understanding with the nurse.