Hospital Bans Black Nurses From Caring for White Baby at Father's Request - page 6

Customer service run amok. I'm a Black nurse in a very white state. During my tour of Nursing Home Hell, one resident added a note to his chart saying "Caucasian caregivers only." Oddly... Read More

  1. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from sixela21
    Then he needs to receive psychological care or counseling rather than impose his beliefs on the rest of society. This situation is completely different, and it is disheartening to see that people are making excuses for this behavior.

    Please don't make excuses for this behavior. It is hurtful and ignorant.
    I fundamentally disagree with your argument. He is not imposing his beliefs on us, rather, by forcing him to have a nurse he is uncomfortable with (for any reason), or referring him to psych, is us imposing our beliefs on him.
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  3. Visit  JDZ344 profile page
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    The point I was trying to make (I had just woken up when I wrote my first post!) was that it all depends on the reasoning behind the request. Requesting a same-gender nurse because the patient is modest or whatever reason is different than requesting a nurse of a specific race.

    On a case by case basis, there is usually a solid reason behind requesting a same-gender nurse. In my mind there can NEVER be a good reason to request a same-ethnicity nurse.

    That said, requesting a nurse of a different gender because you believe ALL male/female nurses are incompetent is also being ignorant, so I do see your point too. Like I said, I suppose it depends on WHY you made the request.
    Last edit by JDZ344 on May 14, '14
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  4. Visit  klone profile page
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    Quote from sixela21
    Am I saying no one can ever discriminate based on gender? No. I am stating that generally when caretakers of another gender are requested, it is usually in a situation like the one you detailed above, and that cannot be compared to the man being discussed here. There is a clear difference.
    Yes. Motivations DO matter. It's not the same thing. The bigoted ******* has a right to be a bigoted *******, but his rights ends where a nurse's rights to be protected against illegal racism begins. The hospital was WRONG WRONG WRONG (and their attorneys knew that, which is why they made them change things as soon as they got a whiff of what was going on) and I hope that nurse wins her lawsuit.

    Bigoted *******s need to be sent a message that people are not going to just cowtow to their racism.
  5. Visit  juan de la cruz profile page
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    Came in for the title, then saw the headline "Flint, MI"... and thought is this guy (the father) nuts?
    Ya, and at Hurley Hospital no less.
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  6. Visit  klone profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    I understand what you are trying to say but in the end can you really say either is not just personal preference?
    You think when he showed the NM his swastika tattoo, that it really was just a matter of "personal preference"?
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  7. Visit  HeartsOpenWide profile page
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    I don't want to change the subject here, but some responses have dismissed the comments made about sexual discrimination. I don't want to weigh one more valid than another; but let's also not down play either. When survivors of sexual abuse give birth it can be very traumatizing for multiple reasons; when your body is once again out of your control it can bring even the deepest repressed memories right to the surface, having a male care for this patient can be detrimental.

    And it's not just a labor and delivery type of thing. Imagine being in the room when an elderly demential female is getting a foley and cries "daddy don't touch me"


    I think we also need to consider the point that some have already made here; just how unsafe it would be for the nurse to care for an infant of a neo-nazi? This isn't just an ill informed person that holds their purse closer when a black man walks by; this is a swastika baring person with a HATRED for another color...
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  8. Visit  sixela21 profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    I understand what you are trying to say but in the end can you really say either is not just personal preference?
    Personal preference is "cheese or no cheese on my sandwich?" Religious beliefs are also typically grouped under personal preference. However, I hate entire group of people based on the fact that they aren't me--um...I still cannot make the comparison (and some religious beliefs can be listed under this category--that is another issue).

    I have already explained myself in great detail. Like I said, in matters of health and life and death, gender should not be an issue, and I would never make it an issue. However, if given the choice when it comes to female health issues, I would prefer the female--why?? Because she is better than a male doctor/nurse? Of course not. Because normally, I do not even show my hair to members of the male gender, so of course I would be more comfortable with a woman giving me a breast exam. Do I hate men? Of course not. Issues of modesty and religion. I would resent being compared to a racist/misandrist based on this simple fact.

    Now, let's take a look at Mr. Neo-Nazi. Are white nurses and black nurses anatomically different any other other way outside of the fact that one's hair might be straighter/curlier, different color eyes/skin. He is discriminating based on his own twisted ideology that white people are somehow better than everyone else because of the happenstance of their birth, and he hates everyone else who does not share his ideology. No one with skin darker than his is fit to touch his baby. He showed his swastika tattoo, so it is safe to assume that he shares the ideology that you would expect a nazi to have--meaning he hates just about everyone else who isn't him--Jews, homosexuals, black people, Hispanics, etc.

    If you still do not understand that, I give up. I think it is deplorable for people to try to compare the two and suggest that this nurse is just "out to get money." Shame on all of you. If you were discriminated against and did not take action, I am sorry you had that experience, but do not suggest that others should "get over it," simply because you did.
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  9. Visit  JDZ344 profile page
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    Quote from multi10
    What is a window licker? What does it mean?
    This is from Urban dictionary:

    euphemism for a person of mentally challenged status. Etymology: C20 - Derived from the stereotyped behaviour of mentally challenged people, observed to place their open mouths into prolongued contact with the external windows of public or private transport on which they are seated
  10. Visit  klone profile page
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    Quote from HeartsOpenWide
    I think we also need to consider the point that some have already made here; just how unsafe it would be for the nurse to care for an infant of a neo-nazi? This isn't just an ill informed person that holds their purse closer when a black man walks by; this is a swastika baring person with a HATRED for another color...
    And if he made ANY kind of move or comment that could be deemed as threatening, he would be banned from the hospital.

    You just can't make illegal policy decisions on "well, he MIGHT become violent". You do what's right, you do what's legal, and then you deal with him if he needs to be dealt with.
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    Quote from sixela21

    Personal preference is "cheese or no cheese on my sandwich?" Religious beliefs are also typically grouped under personal preference. However, I hate entire group of people based on the fact that they aren't me--um...I still cannot make the comparison (and some religious beliefs can be listed under this category--that is another issue).

    I have already explained myself in great detail. Like I said, in matters of health and life and death, gender should not be an issue, and I would never make it an issue. However, if given the choice when it comes to female health issues, I would prefer the female--why?? Because she is better than a male doctor/nurse? Of course not. Because normally, I do not even show my hair to members of the male gender, so of course I would be more comfortable with a woman giving me a breast exam. Do I hate men? Of course not. Issues of modesty and religion. I would resent being compared to a racist/misandrist based on this simple fact.

    Now, let's take a look at Mr. Neo-Nazi. Are white nurses and black nurses anatomically different any other other way outside of the fact that one's hair might be straighter/curlier, different color eyes/skin. He is discriminating based on his own twisted ideology that white people are somehow better than everyone else because of the happenstance of their birth, and he hates everyone else who does not share his ideology. No one with skin darker than his is fit to touch his baby. He showed his swastika tattoo, so it is safe to assume that he shares the ideology that you would expect a nazi to have--meaning he hates just about everyone else who isn't him--Jews, homosexuals, black people, Hispanics, etc.

    If you still do not understand that, I give up. I think it is deplorable for people to try to compare the two and suggest that this nurse is just "out to get money." Shame on all of you. If you were discriminated against and did not take action, I am sorry you had that experience, but do not suggest that others should "get over it," simply because you did.
    ^Right ON Sixela!!! :Whoop:
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  12. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from klone

    And if he made ANY kind of move or comment that could be deemed as threatening, he would be banned from the hospital.

    You just can't make illegal policy decisions on "well, he MIGHT become violent". You do what's right, you do what's legal, and then you deal with him if he needs to be dealt with.
    ^Exactly, klone!!! :Whoop:
  13. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from KatieP86
    On a case by case basis, there is usually a solid reason behind requesting a same-gender nurse. In my mind there can NEVER be a good reason to request a same-ethnicity nurse.
    So it's ok to specifically exclude a nurse provided its for a reason that's more socially acceptable?

    Don't get me wrong, I don't like racists. But it's my job to care for him not judge his beliefs. If he doesn't want me due to my race, that's his choice (provided there is another readily available option).
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  14. Visit  HeartsOpenWide profile page
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    Quote from klone

    And if he made ANY kind of move or comment that could be deemed as threatening, he would be banned from the hospital.

    You just can't make illegal policy decisions on "well, he MIGHT become violent". You do what's right, you do what's legal, and then you deal with him if he needs to be dealt with.
    Really? Lets just wait and see what he is going to do? Lets give the sexual predator a petite female nurse and only change assignments if he "tries something" and then we will deal with it. "We will cross that bridge when the time comes" doesn't work for everything.

    Maybe the hospital took the wrong approach with the nurse and should have said, "we know this guy is a nut job, even if you feel comfortable in this situation we have an obligation to you safe and need to change your assignment" ... Race aside, the hospital also has an obligation to not just wait and see if a problem presents itself in a highly probable situation.

    Having a swastika tattoo and refusing care by a color is threatening enough for me, I wouldn't want to even be in the same room as a person that had that type of hate me.


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