Hospital Bans Black Nurses From Caring for White Baby at Father's Request - page 3

Customer service run amok. I'm a Black nurse in a very white state. During my tour of Nursing Home Hell, one resident added a note to his chart saying "Caucasian caregivers only." Oddly... Read More

  1. Visit  klone profile page
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    Quote from cueballRN
    For people who say they are outraged, as a male nurse there have been several occasions where the patient wanted a female nurse and did not want to have me. Was I outraged? Did I sue my hospital? No. For those outraged, is gender discrimination not as bad as racial? Or is my situation ok just because I'm a man, and its not a female being discriminated against?

    This woman sounds like somebody just fishing for a nice payout from their employer before retiring.
    Is it gender discrimination for a woman to want a female care provider who will have intimate contact with her? While I see yours and HeartsOpenWide's points, I do think there is a difference there. Motivation DOES matter.
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  3. Visit  FurBabyMom profile page
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    I'm on the fence about this. I can see how this could be a sticky situation for healthcare workers (the risk of trumped up illogical, deceitful claims), but I also feel like the hospital should be willing to say it's people who are presumably competent in a given clinical setting are competent. From what I have read, it sounds as if race is the key issue, not competence. I mention competence because in my experience, people have prejudices in addition to racism, and a (seemingly) common one has to do with one's intelligence, competence or reliability.

    That being said - in this day and age, patient complaints often matter more than staff accounts of situations. When I worked the floor, a coworker I knew got written up because a particularly crazy patient (one of our frequent fliers) lied about how long it took their nurse to return to see them after they rang out and then how long it took to get their pain medicine. Yeah. Patient opinions matter so much right now to healthcare institutions. Opinions can be dependent on racial and/or other prejudices, which could hurt the hospital in that respect.
  4. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    I'm black, yet I have cared for Neo-nazis. If given the choice, I would rather treat someone who would appreciate my skills and would have just stepped aside and let someone else deal with such a hateful individual.

    Also, you can't compare sex to race. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a guy touching my private areas, but I would be very comfortable with talking about those problems with a woman. Also, certain religions are against men and women touching each other unless they are married, and that is something that DEFINITELY needs to be respected.
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  5. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    Also, I have a problem with the title of thread. The hospital didn't ban black nurses from caring for the white baby, the baby's father did. Big difference.
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  6. Visit  juan de la cruz profile page
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    Also, I have a problem with the title of thread. The hospital didn't ban black nurses from caring for the white baby, the baby's father did. Big difference.
    That's an accurate title based on the formal complaint by the plaintiff and her lawyer.

    The events were:
    - father refused an African American nurse (plaintiff) to take care of his baby
    - charge nurse called nursing manager who accommodated the father's request and told the charge nurse to change the plaintiff's assigment
    - sign on nursing assignments the next day state "no African American nurses to care for Baby X"
    - plaintiff is suing the hospital
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  7. Visit  PRICHARILLAisMISSED profile page
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    Normally, I hate lawsuits. But in this case, maybe it be for the better. I'm against racism (or any "ism") in all forms, and if it takes a lawsuit to combat it in hospitals then so be it. I wonder though, does the hospital actually have the legal grounds to tell a "customer" that they "have to take their business elsewhere?" If they do, then I hope this nurse takes them for millions! If they don't have the right to do so, then it is not the hospitals fault-it is the Governments fault. If that is the case then I'm not sure how soaking money out of the hospital will help-they will be required to do the same thing in the future by law, anyway.
  8. Visit  juan de la cruz profile page
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    ...just to put things in a different perspective, Hurley Medical Center is a city-owned Level I Trauma Center in Flint, Michigan, a city with almost 70% African American residents per the 2010 Census.
    tewdles, shoegalRN, tayloramaRN2be, and 1 other like this.
  9. Visit  rn2b 2012 profile page
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    1 less responsibility!!!
  10. Visit  klone profile page
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    If they don't have the right to do so, then it is not the hospitals fault-it is the Governments fault. If that is the case then I'm not sure how soaking money out of the hospital will help-they will be required to do the same thing in the future by law, anyway.
    But I don't think the hospital *is* able to do it by law. WHich is why the hospital attorneys got involved, and then the hospital changed their stance.
  11. Visit  PRICHARILLAisMISSED profile page
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    Quote from cueballRN
    For people who say they are outraged, as a male nurse there have been several occasions where the patient wanted a female nurse and did not want to have me. Was I outraged? Did I sue my hospital? No. For those outraged, is gender discrimination not as bad as racial? Or is my situation ok just because I'm a man, and its not a female being discriminated against?

    This woman sounds like somebody just fishing for a nice payout from their employer before retiring.
    cueballRn, man I understand what you're getting at. But your situation IS a little different. Care from you is refused out of gender modesty-this is not hate or bigotry. There are even some men who are by no means sexist, but are uncomfortable with a female medical provider seeing and touching their private areas. This is not meant to be insulting to anyone. BUT, someone not wanting you to have contact with their baby solely due to your race (or gender or anything else that you were born into) IS insulting. It is wrong!

    Who knows, maybe the nurse is just seizing the opportunity in hopes of a nice payday (though I'm not necessarily agreeing that this is the case- hell, I'm ****** over the situation and I wasn't even involved.), but her points are very valid.

    Now to answer your questions, "For those outraged, is gender discrimination not as bad as racial? Or is my situation ok just because I'm a man, and its not a female being discriminated against?," the answers are "Yes," Gender discrimination IS as bad as racism. Let's say that you were told by your management that a pt or a pt's parent doesn't even want you taking their or their childs blood pressure because you are a man. THAT would be just as bad as racism (though still it would be situational. Lets say the pt was assaulted by a man previously, or had some other traumatic event happen to them involving men, then I don't think it would be unreasonable for you to step aside for a female nurse to take the pt). And "No," it is not ok just because you are a man to be discriminated against. But if the reason you are asked to make way for a female nurse is due to gender modesty, then that is NOT discrimination.
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Feb 16, '13 : Reason: de pluralized a word
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    Quote from klone
    But I don't think the hospital *is* able to do it by law. WHich is why the hospital attorneys got involved, and then the hospital changed their stance.
    If that is the case and the hospital was not required to acquiesce to the racist parent then I hope the Nurse takes them for millions. Maybe that'll wake up the rest of the hospitals so they will cease those kinds of actions.
  13. Visit  PRICHARILLAisMISSED profile page
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    Quote from Bortaz, RN
    I'm a white dude (and a minority by a LONG shot where I live), and I have been removed from caring for a baby twice at the request of parents. Once because I was a dude, and once because I was white and they wanted only Hispanic nurses.

    I neither sued nor ended up on CNN either time. Hmm. Maybe I should have. Or maybe I should have gone on about my business, not letting it bother me...just as I did.
    The problem with just ignoring it and going about you business is that nothing gets done to fix the problem that way. I believe that is all of our jobs, everyone single one of us as part of a collective society to do our parts to fix problems such as these. While I know we all cant be responsible for fixing everything, we can fix what's in front of us.
  14. Visit  PRICHARILLAisMISSED profile page
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    Quote from gcupid
    1rst question.... Are you black? 2nd question. If you are a black man, do you affiliate yourself with being a black man?. I know in order to fish one must have patience, but surely the nurse with 25 years of service could possibly have some merit in seeking the claim. I'm pretty sure it's not her first time experiencing examples of ignorance but just maybe the accommodating of ignorance by the facility became tiresome. Everyone has their breaking point.
    I'm not sure what his race has to do with his post at all. I thought it was a legitimate question. Why would you care whether or not he a) is Black or b) identifies himself as a Black man?

    BTW, good points on the rest of the post.


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