Hospital Bans Black Nurses From Caring for White Baby at Father's Request - page 17

Customer service run amok. I'm a Black nurse in a very white state. During my tour of Nursing Home Hell, one resident added a note to his chart saying "Caucasian caregivers only." Oddly... Read More

  1. Visit  veggie530 profile page
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    Quote from mjo07
    I think she did the right thing. It is completely ridiculous to have the nurse be reassigned elsewhere, simply because that guy was racist. He should have reassigned himself elsewhere if it really bothered him that much. Also, I don't think the supervisors or management handled the situation very well, I think they should have defended the nurse. It is 2013 and we all know that skin color, whether white, brown, or purple, has nothing to do with anything! This bothers me and I am very happy the nurse did something about it. Good job!
    The sign was in poor choice and possibly illegal. But saying because "he's racist" is kind of hard to say. Why should I, as a pediatric nurse/MD, allow a child die because their parents believe in some sort of sky wizard that they think tells them the child can't receive life saving interventions? Isn't that just another cultural choice that actually results in death instead of hurt feelings? Just my 0.02.
  2. Visit  WalCZooSki profile page
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    Quote from multi10
    Dave Chappelle would have a field day with this.
    True. Lol.
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  3. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    The idiom fits because she is employed at the hospital she is suing. NO matter how anyone feels about the matter, she is still bringing legal action against the people that pay her salary. I doubt management would look favorably towards her actions.
    ^ Who cares about management when they've decided to again, **** her over??? Who cares about management if they are not going to allow autonomy and protect their workers LEGALLY???

    Sorry, just because someone is writing out a check doesn't give them a right to treat people as they see fit...um, that is why there are worker protection laws, whistleblower laws, etc...these laws were a great precedent when unions fought for them more than 70 years ago.

    I totally understand your point, but that attitude is a lot of reasons people don't speak up against a lot of situations that shouldn't be happening in workplaces, leading to burnout and less satisfaction in careers.
  4. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from veggie530
    You know... they say the father had a swastika tattoo, okay. Let's run through a hypothetical related to my real life experience. I had a patient that was a female and a victim of sexual abuse -- being a young male, she did not want me as her nurse. Out of respect for her traumatic experiences, I felt obligated to respect that wish.

    For anyone with family members (or yourself) who has been to prison as a white male, to protect yourself, that swastika tattoo may be a necessity if you want to live. Very often, for the record, it comes AFTER a violent sexual act has been attempted against you by an African-American prison member because you have no protection. This is what happens when you resist joining the A.B. when you're in.

    You never know what his background is. It's easy to assume he's just a jerk and a bigot (which in likelihood is true, I'll grant that) but those family members are also the patient(s). I know POW's have a hard time receiving medical care from those who are of a similar race as those that were in the war with them, could be a similar situation. Yes, it's based on race but we don't necessarily know why it's based on race.

    I think instead of *gasping* nurses need to show a little more compassion for those who are potential victims of PTSD related to traumatic events and understand why something like this would occur. It's easy to cast judgment, it's difficult to seek understanding. As professional representatives of the field of Nursing, rise above.
    ^As a PTSD survivor, I am aware of past experiences can affect your daily life, no doubt about that. And it's not easy to switch on a light and "get with the program" of society, like the "rest." It does change your prospective.

    However, my traumas cannot affect my performance, or my livelihood...I was shot seven times by a black male that I knew, ang he killed himself. He had undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenia. will not state I don't want a dark black male taking care of me. I I not refuse to take care of someone with mental illness, not a child whose patent has a mental illness.

    I also sought out effective therapy-EDMR-to combat my personal "triggers"; and it took me years because I did not have the resources to receive individual therapy until three years after the trauma. I also was in nursing school and it was affecting my grades. I was aware if it and I made a CHOICE. I've been attending for two years, and counting.

    I am not going to jump all over someone who has the ability to save my life or my child's life.

    To examine your point that if the scenario of trauma happened to this man, then there is a right way, and a not so right way to do it. He could've requested a meeting, the hospital should've stated you have a CHOICE, if you want your child to stay here, we cannot discriminate. This person has a chance of taking care of your child. Either there could've been designated visiting days for the father, social work involved to assist him to find someone for EDMR or cognitive behavioral therapy etc, then that should've been arranged. Either way, past or not, flashing a swatstika, traumatized the manager...so transferring trauma to someone else. Doesn't make it right, STILL. And in this scenario, the person with the trauma had a choice to RISE ABOVE and get the help that he needed, and allowed his child not to be affected by his trauma.

    I will say my trauma had put all possible perspectives in front of me, and have made me a better, more resourceful nurse. But THIS scenario had NONE of those factors, and even STILL, the hospital is still in the wrong for BOTH sides.
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  5. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from veggie530

    The sign was in poor choice and possibly illegal. But saying because "he's racist" is kind of hard to say. Why should I, as a pediatric nurse/MD, allow a child die because their parents believe in some sort of sky wizard that they think tells them the child can't receive life saving interventions? Isn't that just another cultural choice that actually results in death instead of hurt feelings? Just my 0.02.
    ^ The "Sky Wizard" belief has been deemed a racist organization, regardless if it is considered a "religious" belief to the believers.
  6. Visit  kalevra profile page
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    @LadyFree28



    How is she getting ****ed over?

    She is getting paid, keeping her job, working, didnt get sent home. She is boxing herself out of the job she has had for years. The worst thing that happened is they put a sign on the chart asking no African-American nurses care for the baby, an isolated incident.

    She is going to suit her employer for a large cash settlement for an isolated incident when the hospital was between a rock and a hard place.


    Worker protection laws are still in effect, she has not been fired, she has not taken a reduction in compensation. She got transferred to another patient. No different than when a conservative Muslim family asks for NO MALE nurses. No breach there whatsoever.

    Whistle blower laws still in effect, she reported what she feels is discriminatory action against all African-American nurses. She will not get fired for doing what she feels is right.

    Now if management puts her under a microscope and sees she is not following hospital policy then those can be used for grounds for dismissal.

    We accommodate all the time, what makes this any different. Patient asks for no male nurses, we grant that. Patient requests to keep knife (kirpan) on him at all times because he is seikh, we allow that. Parent refuse blood for their child because they are Jehovahs Witness, we allow that.
  7. Visit  kalevra profile page
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    ^ The "Sky Wizard" belief has been deemed a racist organization, regardless if it is considered a "religious" belief to the believers.
    I don't have to agree with my patients belief, I just have to treat them with respect.

    I wonder how much her cash settlement will be to ease her pain and suffering from being reassigned to another patient/having to see the sign/feelings hurt.

    Whats her price tag?
  8. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from kalevra
    How is she getting ****ed over?

    She is getting paid, keeping her job, working, didnt get sent home. She is boxing herself out of the job she has had for years. The worst thing that happened is they put a sign on the chart asking no African-American nurses care for the baby, an isolated incident.

    She is going to suit her employer for a large cash settlement for an isolated incident when the hospital was between a rock and a hard place.

    Worker protection laws are still in effect, she has not been fired, she has not taken a reduction in compensation. She got transferred to another patient. No different than when a conservative Muslim family asks for NO MALE nurses. No breach there whatsoever.

    Whistle blower laws still in effect, she reported what she feels is discriminatory action against all African-American nurses. She will not get fired for doing what she feels is right.

    Now if management puts her under a microscope and sees she is not following hospital policy then those can be used for grounds for dismissal.

    We accommodate all the time, what makes this any different. Patient asks for no male nurses, we grant that. Patient requests to keep knife (kirpan) on him at all times because he is seikh, we allow that. Parent refuse blood for their child because they are Jehovahs Witness, we allow that.
    ^How is she boxing herself out??? He job did that for her when she got stripped to choose, and the "No Blacks" sign.

    When you have worked somewhere where you have consistently have been able to provide input, etc...then you go and violate a BLATANT "no no"...a constitutional amendment, they just gave her the keys to the hospital.

    Again...WHO CARES about management when they went against the law??? She has a right to pursuer this lawsuit, and win, because she it right. This is a preference that is NOT ALLOWED to be honored because of LEGAL implications. And it will remain, because of this country's history, and we cannot erase that, but move forward by making sure when these cases come up to be upfront and prevent this situation to be preceded further, even if it has to come down with lawyers, doctors, nurses, mental health all being at the table to work though this destructive thought process, or to cone up wit a plan where the father had designated visit days. We have to take discrimination and protect against those acts seriously. Apathy only opens the door to rewinding back in time, and I refused to side with that type if nonsense. I stand by what is RIGHT and what is logically LEGAL-these laws in place are legally sound and need to be in place, period.
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  9. Visit  veggie530 profile page
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    ^ The "Sky Wizard" belief has been deemed a racist organization, regardless if it is considered a "religious" belief to the believers.
    What organization are you talking about? There have been no legal proceedings that have indicated he is a member of an illegal gang, has there? Or did I miss something? Having a swastika does not brand you an immediate member of any particular illegal gang -- it can mean about a hundred different affiliations or, simply, a belief system. Believing in Neo-Nazi ideology is different than being a member of a potentially illegal Nazi organization. And, as I said before, one results in hurt feelings, while the others result in death of a human life. In the grand scheme of things, while I whole heartedly disagree with his cultural outlook, I can also put it in perspective to watching people actually die from a belief system as oppose to being assigned to a different patient.
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  10. Visit  veggie530 profile page
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    ^As a PTSD survivor, I am aware of past experiences can affect your daily life, no doubt about that. And it's not easy to switch on a light and "get with the program" of society, like the "rest." It does change your prospective.
    Okay, I'm with you.

    However, my traumas cannot affect my performance, or my livelihood...I was shot seven times by a black male that I knew, ang he killed himself. He had undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenia. will not state I don't want a dark black male taking care of me. I I not refuse to take care of someone with mental illness, not a child whose patent has a mental illness.
    You're muddling the issue. You are referring to your professional duty that you can not allow a traumatic event to keep you from performing. This male individual with a swastika had no professional duty to anyone -- it was a cultural preference that he did not want a minority nurse taking care of his child. While I do not agree with this outlook, I cannot choose to honor other people's cultural accommodations and then turn around and ignore his because I don't like them. You speak so much of professional duty, but then you don't want to acknowledge the cultural considerations that we, as nurses, are responsible to accomodate. IMHO

    I also sought out effective therapy-EDMR-to combat my personal "triggers"; and it took me years because I did not have the resources to receive individual therapy until three years after the trauma. I also was in nursing school and it was affecting my grades. I was aware if it and I made a CHOICE. I've been attending for two years, and counting.

    I am not going to jump all over someone who has the ability to save my life or my child's life.

    To examine your point that if the scenario of trauma happened to this man, then there is a right way, and a not so right way to do it. He could've requested a meeting, the hospital should've stated you have a CHOICE, if you want your child to stay here, we cannot discriminate. This person has a chance of taking care of your child. Either there could've been designated visiting days for the father, social work involved to assist him to find someone for EDMR or cognitive behavioral therapy etc, then that should've been arranged. Either way, past or not, flashing a swatstika, traumatized the manager...so transferring trauma to someone else. Doesn't make it right, STILL. And in this scenario, the person with the trauma had a choice to RISE ABOVE and get the help that he needed, and allowed his child not to be affected by his trauma.

    I will say my trauma had put all possible perspectives in front of me, and have made me a better, more resourceful nurse. But THIS scenario had NONE of those factors, and even STILL, the hospital is still in the wrong for BOTH sides.
    Okay, long story short: I applaud that you were able to overcome your PTSD and function in society in the way that you need to. I have no way of knowing this individual has had PTSD or anything like that, I was just speculating that there are reasons behind things that aren't necessarily the way they are being painted -- in this case, some trashy racist just doesn't like blacks. We really don't know WHAT the reason is for his bigotry/racism, it could be either end of the spectrum.

    That being said, your experience with PTSD is not the same as anyone else's. There is no "one size fits all" therapy for any disease process, whether it be mental health or physiological health related (or a hybrid of both). Your experience with PTSD does not define how this individual, if he suffers from such a condition, is "suppose" to deal with his life. This is all of course speculative -- I'm just throwing darts at the fact that people boiling this down to "he's a racist bum" is the intellectual "path of least resistance."

    Lastly -- the sign in the hospital was a terrible idea and as a manager, I would not have done it. I think the act of not assigning minorities to the patient, however, in and of itself, is not discriminatory -- at least not any more so than any time someone refuses my treatment based on my gender or skin color. Cheers!
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  11. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from veggie530

    What organization are you talking about? There have been no legal proceedings that have indicated he is a member of an illegal gang, has there? Or did I miss something? Having a swastika does not brand you an immediate member of any particular illegal gang -- it can mean about a hundred different affiliations or, simply, a belief system. Believing in Neo-Nazi ideology is different than being a member of a potentially illegal Nazi organization. And, as I said before, one results in hurt feelings, while the others result in death of a human life. In the grand scheme of things, while I whole heartedly disagree with his cultural outlook, I can also put it in perspective to watching people actually die from a belief system as oppose to being assigned to a different patient.
    Neo-Nazis, KKK and other organizations that are involved in activities regarding racial intimidation and that particular "belief system" are listed as hate groups at the Department of Justice. Hence the response of people in this post calling the father in this case a "racist."

    There was a case in my area where the parents named their child Adolf Hitler, and had their child taken away from them because of their belief system, and the interactions with doctors nurses. Social worker called social services, parents were required to take patenting classes to assess their patenting skills. Did not do well, children were removed from the home, based in their "belief" system.
    Call it a belief, a cultural system, persons who have adopted this "culture" have been arrested for hate crimes for decades, again, prompting the DOJ to have such a classification.
  12. Visit  kalevra profile page
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    Quote from LadyFree28
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    because of this country's history, and we cannot erase that, but move forward by making sure when these cases come up to be upfront and prevent this situation to be preceded further, even if it has to come down with lawyers, doctors, nurses, mental health all being at the table to work though this destructive thought process, or to cone up wit a plan where the father had designated visit days. We have to take discrimination and protect against those acts seriously. Apathy only opens the door to rewinding back in time, and I refused to side with that type if nonsense. I stand by what is RIGHT and what is logically LEGAL-these laws in place are legally sound and need to be in place, period.
    So because of slavery, we should not accommodate a white family's request based on their cultural beliefs, that's called reverse racism.

    We have come a long way from the days of plantation owners and Jim Crow laws. I live in the present day where our professional sports teams are filled with proud black players, our mainstream music is charted by aspiring black musicians, where mixed race relationships are a norm and our President is Black. This is the US I live in.

    Im 100% sure we wont be rewinding back the hands of time. Maybe its time you started living in today's world.

    Have you thought perhaps the black nurse is counting on this whole white vs black issue. The pay out would be substantial enough for her to make this worth her while. This may just be another scheme to make a buck.
  13. Visit  BSNbeDONE profile page
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    What if the shoes were reversed and that same request was made by the opposite or any other race? This hospital or the supervisor (and so, the hospital), has opened up a can of anacondas. We have often 'chosen' our nurses for patients that were of a different generation who are now suffering from Alzheimer's. We did that to keep these patients calm and from yelling out offensive connotations. But this is clearly not the case here and the hospital didn't take the time to analyze the situation and the outcome before making such a hasty decision.

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