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- Sep 3, '10 by donsterRNQuote from DoGoodThenGoAs far as I know, the only diploma program left in NYS is in Elmira, NY at the Arnot Ogden Medical Center.Don't know about New Jersey, but diploma programs have pretty much died off in New York State. Those that didn't become ADN schools, simply closed. There is only one diploma program left in the state, and I *think* it is somewhere upstate or Westchester.
Great as many diploma programs were, the marketplace or at least hospitals prefer RNs with a college degree, and even there the movement seems to be towards the BSN over AAS/ADN.
- Sep 3, '10 by DoGoodThenGo
- Sep 3, '10 by mandycI am currently an ADN and I am getting my BSN online. I chose this way so that I could work as an RN and still continue my education. Though I AGREE with the statement that nursing does come from the heart I also feel strongly on continuing on to further your nursing skill and education by getting your BSN or MSN...The classes that are offered for BSN degrees offer more insight into culture,leadership, and help improve critical thinking skills. Yes! Some of the classes seem needless at first, but it does help to make a person more well-rounded and helps to improve reasoning skills, literary, comprehension and writing skills. I don't think that is a BAD thing at all. I do not think they should phase out ADN accredited programs....They are a definite need, especially in rural areas where RN's are high in demand but are few and far between. Having a partnership with an institution that offers a continuation into a BSN is a plus; these days it seems like a MUST to survive, based on employer preference. Education can only further opportunities and advancement as well as take you places you never thought you could go.
- Sep 4, '10 by cherryames1949When I graduated in 1983 the talk was that a BSN would be required in 1988. ADNS and Diploma nurses would be grandfathered in. Because of the shortage at the time that plan was delayed. It is time that nursing as a whole bites the bullet and makes a decision about which direction it is going to take. It is my understanding that one of the criteria for a profession is that it has a common educational requirement. We currently have 3 pathways to becoming a registered nurse. This, unfortunately, leads to us not being considered a "true" profession. It is time for agreement and implementation of a plan that will elevate the profession of nursing.
- Sep 4, '10 by Lovelymo79This is so sad! I'm in Jersey and in my diploma program (Mountainside Hospital School of Nursing) in Montclair is also closing down. I'm in the last class - graduation June 15, 2011. And they are doing the same thing as they are here..joining with Caldwell College to put out a BSN program.
I worked at a hospital years ago and the diploma and ADN nurses used to run circles around the BSN nurses on the floor. I always wanted to do a diploma program, even years ago when I wanted to enter nursing school. I love the history and the intensity of the program.
Fine...bring on the BSN programs but I think the diploma programs DO have their place..especially for those of us with BAs already in other degrees who want more of the clinical aspect..not to write another paper.
- Sep 4, '10 by mmm333In the broader context of society, I feel that ADN nurses, who do nearly two years of work in prereqs alone before completing two additional years of nursing school (total of 4 years) shouldn't have to go to a cocktail party and be looked down on by someone with a bachelor's degree in Gothic literature as if they have a mere "2-year degree" which is really a "4-year degree" (nobody can do it all in 2 years!). Nurses go through a unique experience/ selection program (dare I say "2-year hazing ritual"?) to earn their stripes- only nurses really understand what an ordeal it is. I think that if they are going to go through all of that, they should end up with a bachelors of some kind. It would also lead to more cross-pollination with other professions, which BSN nurses could float in and out of, having that sheepskin on their resume. Students with BA degrees go into the Peace Corps and manage local public health projects in Africa, while new grad ADNs can't even join the Peace Corps (or find work at all). They deserve more for all their hard work, to put it simply.
All programs should have stronger programs for bridging nurses into the real work world after licensure- this is where more clinical experience (which ADNs get more of and BSNs tend to get less of) can be crammed in. This could be optional. However I understand that this is an ideal versus the reality out there.
- Sep 4, '10 by realnursealso/LPN." My nursing professor also said that LPNs are slowly getting phased out. "
Tell your nursing professor that he or she is very wrong! LPN's are not being phased out. There are hundreds of threads on AllNurses on this topic. 30 years now people have been passing this "fairy tale" around, and it's not true.
- Sep 5, '10 by AtomicWomanDoes anyone know what changes HF made to the curriculum to make their students ineligible for funding?
I do think this decision is, in part, a reflection of the hiring situation in the south Jersey/Philadelphia area. More and more hospitals are requiring a BSN, and in my job search, I have yet to find a job description that did NOT say "BSN preferred". So HF's closing may be in large part due to those realities. One other issue is that HF is EXPENSIVE for an ASN degree. I looked at the school when I was deciding which nursing school to go to, but thought I could either (a) spend the same money or less and get a BSN or (b) go to my local community college and get an ASN for far less. So that may have come into play, as well, especially in this economy.
- Jan 9, '11 by bree*I don't think this is sad at all. I think nursing SHOULD be a mandatory BSN.
- Jan 12, '11 by nurse grace RNMany people have expressed their opinions on the subject of Helene Fuld closing. Yes, it is true that the phila/SJ area does say "BSN" preferred in their ads but do you really think all of the ADN and and Associate degree RNS are unemployable? If that were the case, why do the community colleges continue to graduate classes each spring? I am a proud graduate of Helene Fuld, class of 2005. I got a fabulous education and yes it was very expensive, but I was well prepared to be a graduate nurse and enter orientation. I already have a BS in another filed so I don't feel the desperate need to get a BSN , right this very second! Yes, I will get one,in due time, not immediately. I don't know what happened at HF to cause the school to close, probably a number of things: cost, competition, problems internally?, one can only wonder. I still think it is a shame because it was a great school, with excellent instructors , that provided a fabulous nursing education and I am very grateful to have had the opportunity to get my education from such a valued program.