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Helen Mirren says many hookers came from nursing profession - page 8

actress Helen Mirren goes on record to say she thinks many hookers were nurses!!! :eek::eek::eek: I am so offended and incensed by this.....is there some way to collectively demand an apology? I... Read More

  1. Visit  dlatimer profile page
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    Is an arrest for prostitution violation of the Nurse Practice Act?
    Last edit by dlatimer on Jun 17, '10 : Reason: change disciplinary quotient
  2. Visit  joyouter profile page
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    Quote from JoanJuxtaposed
    Goodness... for a cohort who regularly demands respect, you guys sure are shameless about looking down on prostitutes and actors for their supposedly inferior lines of work. What maddening hypocrisy.
    The focus of the discussion is Ms Mirren's prejudgement about nurses and their fittingness as prostitutes, significantly women. No one is "looking down on prostitutes and actors" - this discussion is about us as nursing professionals, largely women ( I did not not hear a reference to male nurses- does she know that male RN's exist?)
    Seriously, given the volume of discussions in this and other forums about the nursing profession, countless research findings, all demonstrating the underlying problems in nursing as lack of power, poor renumeration/ reward, on-going abuse in various forms, and the inability to represent ourselves as a professional body with teeth, - these are all highlighted ongoing problems in nursing. While Hollywood seizes on this aspect of nursing as the most enticing entertainment fodder, the real tragedy is the slowly diminishing pool of nursing professionals. As we lose more members to other professions, Ms Mirren is not in any way helping, nor advocating nursing as a profession.
    If hypocrisy is the crux of this argument, it lies in the hands of the producers of the show who are surely intelligent enough to recognize a faux pas committed by Ms Mirren, along with her other earlier comments about rape. My impression is that she has been lucky enough never to need skilled nursing practitioners, has been lauded for her profession in North America and has been lucratively rewarded. She has probably never been forced to have sex for self support and has hopefully, never been raped. thus, democratic freedom of speech also promotes ignorance and hypocrisy as entertainment.
    Historically, prostitution has been a practice for thousands of years, yet, to present day, these women are usually targets, shunned or mocked in other countries or even killed, regardless of why they practice the trade, and yes, it is usually men and other women who actively participate in persecution. Ultimately, it is hypocrisy which blocks greater economic and political power for women, and perpetuates the cycle of these events.
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  3. Visit  SWS RN profile page
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    Quote from dlatimer
    Is an arrest for prostitution violation of the Nurse Practice Act?
    Yes, an arrest for anything can be a violation of the Nurse Practice Act.

    I recently sat in on the BON quarterly hearing in the state of Fl.

    There was a guy there that had his nursing license suspended indefinitly for fraud. He had been living with a girl that had given him full access to her checking and savings. She had allowed him to buy a car with some of the money. All was fine until she caught him with another woman. She had him arrested, charged with fraud, a felony. THe state pulled his license. They did reinstate with probation. He had not worked for 18 months.

    THis had absolutely nothing to do with nursing or the ability to provide good patient care.

    His case was ultimetly adjudicated but he still suffered the consequences.
    Kind of scary to think that a vindictive person could wreak such havoc on your license and your life.
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    Quote from nursel56
    What does nurses demanding respect have to do with what we think about other professions? Not only is it not hypocrisy, it doesn't even make sense. Hookers are just as free as we are to demand respect, too. And they have as much right to share their opinions about other jobs as we do. Feeling that one does a job that should be respected isn't invalidated because of an opinion about someone else's line of work.
    It is total hypocrisy when one demands respect she does not dish out fairly herself.
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    Quote from romantic
    Where do you see hypocrisy?
    In demanding respect when you don't show it yourselves.
  6. Visit  JoanJuxtaposed profile page
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    Quote from SquirrelRN71
    I do think she was out of line in what she said, but didn't mean it maliciously. I really don't care what an actress thinks of my chosen profession. After all, the vast majority of those in the entertainment industry are high school dropouts. They're not the most intelligent or educated group of people, generally speaking. And I think the percentage of actors/actresses who have whored themselves out in one form or fashion far outnumbers any nurses who have done so.
    Oh yeah, you really come off as indifferent with all of those disparaging sentiments of those in the entertainment industry, there.

    So is whose opinion you care about dependent on that person's level of formal education? Then, I imagine, the opinion of a Harvard grad would send you positively spinning, huh? For your sake then, let's hope Natalie Portman never decides to regale us with tales of any nurses she's encountered.

    And those statistics about individuals who work in the entertainment industry being mostly high school drop-outs came from where, exactly? Your unwarranted hubris, no doubt.
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    Quote from joyouter
    The focus of the discussion is Ms Mirren's prejudgement about nurses and their fittingness as prostitutes, significantly women. No one is "looking down on prostitutes and actors" - this discussion is about us as nursing professionals, largely women ( I did not not hear a reference to male nurses- does she know that male RN's exist?)
    Seriously, given the volume of discussions in this and other forums about the nursing profession, countless research findings, all demonstrating the underlying problems in nursing as lack of power, poor renumeration/ reward, on-going abuse in various forms, and the inability to represent ourselves as a professional body with teeth, - these are all highlighted ongoing problems in nursing. While Hollywood seizes on this aspect of nursing as the most enticing entertainment fodder, the real tragedy is the slowly diminishing pool of nursing professionals. As we lose more members to other professions, Ms Mirren is not in any way helping, nor advocating nursing as a profession.
    If hypocrisy is the crux of this argument, it lies in the hands of the producers of the show who are surely intelligent enough to recognize a faux pas committed by Ms Mirren, along with her other earlier comments about rape. My impression is that she has been lucky enough never to need skilled nursing practitioners, has been lauded for her profession in North America and has been lucratively rewarded. She has probably never been forced to have sex for self support and has hopefully, never been raped. thus, democratic freedom of speech also promotes ignorance and hypocrisy as entertainment.
    Historically, prostitution has been a practice for thousands of years, yet, to present day, these women are usually targets, shunned or mocked in other countries or even killed, regardless of why they practice the trade, and yes, it is usually men and other women who actively participate in persecution. Ultimately, it is hypocrisy which blocks greater economic and political power for women, and perpetuates the cycle of these events.
    No one is "looking down on prostitutes and actors"

    You couldn't possibly have read through this discussion if you're claiming that. Plenty of people are looking down on both here, especially actresses. My response was to the many many condescending and insulting remarks about those in the acting profession. One can express their annoyance with her comment without bashing her (and in turn, fellow members of her) profession, many here have, but many others have not.

    She was just talking.... just recalling an experience, her experience in a brothel.

    Thing is, I feel for her because I'm pretty sure most people here (and people in general) would have made similar statements if they'd visited the work-place of some profession they had no experience with like she had. Like say, a fire-station where 3 or 4 of the 12 firemen you met revealed having once been male strippers. I'm sure that'd stick in most people's minds as something of interest and a little more than mere coincidence. And I'm sure that, in complete innocence, we'd probably regale whoever our audience was with that bit because, again, it was interesting. No one's trying to insult the profession when they describe it, they're just recalling what they heard first-hand.

    I know it's different because, unlike nurses, fire-fighters are regarded more... nobly in our society, but the teller of the story can't help that.

    Unlike many posters here, I really don't think Mirran was trying to belittle anyone's profession.
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    Quote from JoanJuxtaposed
    She was just talking.... just recalling an experience, her experience in a brothel.

    Thing is, I feel for her because I'm pretty sure most people here (and people in general) would have made similar statements if they'd visited the work-place of some profession they had no experience with like she had. Like say, a fire-station where 3 or 4 of the 12 firemen you met revealed having once been male strippers. I'm sure that'd stick in most people's minds as something of interest and a little more than mere coincidence. And I'm sure that, in complete innocence, we'd probably regale whoever our audience was with that bit because, again, it was interesting. No one's trying to insult the profession when they describe it, they're just recalling what they heard first-hand.

    Seriously? If you really think that then I must say, "speak for yourself, please."

    If people seeking to become nurses didn't have the common sense not make a leap like this one before going to nursing school, they would have been taught not to do so while going through the program. I'm truly amazed that someone who is supposed to be using critical thinking skills on a daily basis can't think more critically than this.

    I'm pretty sure...no, I'm positive that most people here would NOT have made similar statements because they know better than to generalize an entire group of people the way you have described or the way Ms. Mirren did, especially a group as large as nurses.
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    "Historically, one may argue that Florence Nightingale did employ and train women, former prostitutes, in the rudimentary art of nursing the sick during the Crimean War, where many of these women played vital roles in saving lives through skilled nursing. It was evident that a "self respecting" British woman during that period would not consider enlisting as a nurse."

    First of all, Mirren's comments are out of line, inappropriate and ignorant. It just goes to show you how dangerous it is to possess just a little knowledge about certain subjects. To add to the comment above, in Nightingale's time, religious reformers were concerned about many young women moving in from rural areas from the cites. This was the Industrial Revolution. Factories were expanding, cities were growing rapidly. In an age when many working opportunities weren't available to women, reformers were seeking jobs that these young women could do that would prevent them from falling into poverty and perhaps prostitution in order to survive. In that sense, nursing became associated with prostitution. And as stated above, taking care of the sick, dealing with body fluids and waste and smells was considered beneath the dignity of upper class women. And yes, prostitutes were recruited to help with nursing in the Crimean War since the main concern for female caregivers would be their personal modesty in dealing with the naked bodies of soldiers. Prostitutes, it would be assumed, wouldn't have their sensesabilities compromised. The wealthy would have their own doctors, and their own servants to deal with this. And servants were not even considered "people" in the sense that they were like "potted plants" in the room, decoration, not to be even acknowledged. That's why the upper classes would often speak about the most personal things in front of their servants, who were like flies on the wall.
    Anyway, what does all this have to do with the Merrin comment? It's amazing how certain stereotypes get carried along through generations. Also, you need to consider that much of what nurses do is, as one book title about nursing says, "Behind the Screens." To the general public, it's secret. Unless you've had personal care from a nurse, you don't really understand what it's all about -- and most patients wont' talk about it with other patients. And we all know what kinds of assumptions are made when the facts seem hidden and you've got to guess at what's going on. Medicine itself has a history of hidden knowledge, almost a gnostic nature. There are still too many "secrets" in medicine from the point of view of the general public.
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    Quote from JoanJuxtaposed
    It is total hypocrisy when one demands respect she does not dish out fairly herself.
    Respect isn't something either demanded or "dished out". It's something you have or you don't. Perhaps you view respect as something a high school principal or a parent might "demand" if you were to pop your gum while they were talking to you about following the rules.

    I respect nursing. I don't respect prostitution. I respect the Supreme Court. I don't respect the Taliban's "justice". Not hypocrisy. Sorry if that offends your sense of universal fairness.
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    Okay, it's time for a deep breath and a big step back from the precipice.

    I hate closing threads, but when members start tearing into each other over something a third party said or did, that may be an indication that all of the really useful ideas have been expressed.

    Please, stick to the issue at hand and stop sniping at each other. Nothing we say or do here is going to "straighten out" Ms. Mirren. But we might end up bruising and scratching each other. Totally not worth it.
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    Quote from JoanJuxtaposed
    Oh yeah, you really come off as indifferent with all of those disparaging sentiments of those in the entertainment industry, there.

    So is whose opinion you care about dependent on that person's level of formal education? Then, I imagine, the opinion of a Harvard grad would send you positively spinning, huh? For your sake then, let's hope Natalie Portman never decides to regale us with tales of any nurses she's encountered.

    And those statistics about individuals who work in the entertainment industry being mostly high school drop-outs came from where, exactly? Your unwarranted hubris, no doubt.
    I'm ultimately indifferent about Ms Mirren's opinion because you're right, I don't have much respect for those in the entertainment industry. Are all actors high school dropouts? Of course not, but I don't think anyone can deny that most are NOT Harvard graduates.(ie Tom Cruise is an excellent example..he's a high school dropout, but yet thinks he has a medical degree) I also don't think anyone can deny that many actors start off as strippers, or compromise their morals to get jobs.

    Sorry, just don't have much respect for celebrities in general..
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    please see the moderator re-direct above.

    should condescending/inflammatory/rude posts continue, points will be awarded.

    fair notice.

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