Helen Mirren says many hookers came from nursing profession - page 12
actress Helen Mirren goes on record to say she thinks many hookers were nurses!!! :eek::eek::eek: I am so offended and incensed by this.....is there some way to collectively demand an apology? I used to be such a fan of hers... Read More
- 1Jun 19, '10 by JoanJuxtaposedQuote from SquirrelRN71How many examples can you list from such a large and varied community? A good portion of actors specifically, whom I can recall, are college-educated and most of them are at least high school educated, goodness.I'm ultimately indifferent about Ms Mirren's opinion because you're right, I don't have much respect for those in the entertainment industry. Are all actors high school dropouts? Of course not, but I don't think anyone can deny that most are NOT Harvard graduates.(ie Tom Cruise is an excellent example..he's a high school dropout, but yet thinks he has a medical degree) I also don't think anyone can deny that many actors start off as strippers, or compromise their morals to get jobs.
Sorry, just don't have much respect for celebrities in general..
I also don't think anyone can deny that many actors start off as strippers, or compromise their morals to get jobs.
Really, you don't think anyone could deny that? What a disrespectful, unfounded, and almost humorously pathetic claim to make. You might want to hold back there, dear, your insecurities are showing. From which expert source did you get this information? Literally none of the celebrity actors I can recall started out as strippers.
Sorry, just don't have much respect for celebrities in general
Well that's a pretty arrogant and bigoted stance to have.
- 1Jun 19, '10 by JoanJuxtaposedQuote from sirisorry, i found the remarks dumbing down actors insulting, offensive, and unfair, so responded to that and now it's becoming... this. sorry, siri.please see the moderator re-direct above.
should condescending/inflammatory/rude posts continue, points will be awarded.
- 0Jun 19, '10 by dlatimerUnbelievable. 111 posts for some trivial comment by an actor. I only have one thing to say. I don't control anyone. The sooner I know this the more freedom I have. I'm not going to waste my time and effort trying to convince someone. The only thing I have control over is me. My behavior will demonstrate what I am about. Respect that is demanded is not respect. It is something else. It could be resentment, hatred, a facade or whatever, but it will not be genuine or sincere and it will not be an asset to my character. I am about character. I will now descend from the box of soap.
- 0Jun 19, '10 by Freedom42New York nurse busted for prostitution
Type "nurse" and "prostitute" into Google and you'll find all kinds of articles about RNs working as prostitutes. Does that mean that, as Helen Mirren says, "a lot" of sex workers come from nursing? No. Doesn't mean it's not true, either.
But it does raise the question: Who do we think sex workers are, and why do we think we have the moral authority to judge them? The manner in which any adult chooses to use his or her body -- be they nurse, actress or sex worker -- is simply none of my business.
- 1Jun 19, '10 by SWS RNQuote from dlatimerUnbelievable. 111 posts for some trivial comment by an actor. I only have one thing to say. I don't control anyone. The sooner I know this the more freedom I have. I'm not going to waste my time and effort trying to convince someone. The only thing I have control over is me. My behavior will demonstrate what I am about. Respect that is demanded is not respect. It is something else. It could be resentment, hatred, a facade or whatever, but it will not be genuine or sincere and it will not be an asset to my character. I am about character. I will now descend from the box of soap.
I am with you...I just read through the posts again and burst out laughing at some of them.
Perhaps it is because we, at least you and I, are a little more "mature"? (as in years)
I think by the time we have reached a certain age and have been through the things the world has dealt us, especially in this profession, we don't get too upset over what an actor says on TV.
I'm surprised that the entire comment by Helen Mirren was taken seriously at all...and astounded at some of the remarks made here. Especially the snarky posts back and forth. Some so inflammatory, that the moderator had to step in.
If this is the only thing that people have to get this upset about, then wow...I would like to have their lives...I have a little more on my plate.
And if we are talking about "soap boxes" here, then let's get upset over something more important...like...say...the Gulf Oil Spill!!!!!!!!!!!
- 0Jun 19, '10 by caroladybelleFirst, how many of the "nurses" come prostitutes had an actual professional nursing license? Or were they actally aides, home assistants, graduates that could not be licensed for various reasons. Or sitters, "baby nurses" with little no actual professional training.
I am sure that there are plenty of prostitutes with nursing degrees - there are a couple of well known porn actresses that have been LPNs or RNs. But there are also business majors, lawyers, actresses/actors, models, waitresses, etc. that have, also.
Heck there is an Oscar winner, that worked as a stripper/peep show girl while attending school, and admitted to crossing the G-string line with customer contact.
- 0Jun 19, '10 by GM2RNQuote from JoanJuxtaposedIf you really think that then I must say, "speak for yourself, please."
How can you be such a hypocrite?
You can only be "positive" after experiencing it yourself and then experiencing it for everyone else as well. Until then, like me, you're only imagining and assuming.
I HAVE experienced the critical thinking skills in the many thoughtful, insightful, well-written, wise, compassionate, clever, and funny posts that I have read here on allnurses. What you said about experiencing it for everyone else doesn't even make sense.
And you really do need to learn the definition of the word hypocrite.
- 0Jun 19, '10 by joyouterQuote from JoanJuxtaposedMy mistake, I should have written "I am not belittling actors or prostitutes."No one is "looking down on prostitutes and actors"
You couldn't possibly have read through this discussion if you're claiming that. Plenty of people are looking down on both here, especially actresses. My response was to the many many condescending and insulting remarks about those in the acting profession. One can express their annoyance with her comment without bashing her (and in turn, fellow members of her) profession, many here have, but many others have not.
She was just talking.... just recalling an experience, her experience in a brothel.
Thing is, I feel for her because I'm pretty sure most people here (and people in general) would have made similar statements if they'd visited the work-place of some profession they had no experience with like she had. Like say, a fire-station where 3 or 4 of the 12 firemen you met revealed having once been male strippers. I'm sure that'd stick in most people's minds as something of interest and a little more than mere coincidence. And I'm sure that, in complete innocence, we'd probably regale whoever our audience was with that bit because, again, it was interesting. No one's trying to insult the profession when they describe it, they're just recalling what they heard first-hand.
I know it's different because, unlike nurses, fire-fighters are regarded more... nobly in our society, but the teller of the story can't help that.
Unlike many posters here, I really don't think Mirran was trying to belittle anyone's profession.
It is always interesting to see the relationships between careers and genders. Yes, I am sure some firemen have been male strippers, but the gruelling training which they undergo places them in a totally different category. As such, nurses, by and large are often seen as compassionate, caring women with large hearts. Therein lies the dilemma. The degree of studies, gruelling levels of academic achievement and positive impact on the development of health care are deliberately ignored- after all, the media love to write about the simple nurse who carries out a heroic deed, rather than the research nurse who promotes or presents new research findings for health.
It is not in the media's interest to do so - and we as nurses, do not address it. If a nurse appeared on a popular tv programme, suggesting that actors are after all, ideal candidates for prostitution, imagine the reaction - from die hard fans, actors's guilds etc. My daughter is a talented actress but after resourcing the profession in LA and Hollywood and speaking directly with many acting coaches, trainers, flegling actresses, ( not to mention the beautiful young men and women waiters in restaurants), she chose other options at university - and I do respect her decision. (with some reservation)
So is this really a tempest in a teapot or does it hint at deeper issues which have never been fully addressed in nursing?
- 0Jun 19, '10 by nursel56 GuideQUOTE=JoanJuxtaposed;4368363 . . .It does. If you're going to look down on (or 'not respect') someone's profession, then you should take being looked down on for being a nurse in stride or else, yes, you are a hypocrite.
Again, respect is subjective. It can't be demanded, except by one person. . . A R E T H A ohh yeah. .
Yes, I know I just contributed to the further devolving of this thread, but really- did we have that far to go to hit bottom?