Is Healthcare Still a Promising Field? - page 5

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I found the following article on USNews when I was checking out a link about PTs being one of the top ten careers in 2009. While perusing through this site, I've read several posts commenting how new RN graduates are having hard... Read More


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    Quote from LandauGuy
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ialysis09.html

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...liens-dialysis

    Just an example of the tab that Americans are already picking up for illegals in this country.

    Health care stops being a promising field to me when we spend my hard earned money displacing Americans in line for care with illegals. This will only get worse if illegals get free care. Does anyone here honestly think the flow of immigrants will do anything but increase once free care is absolutely assured?
    Yes, because clearly it's all the illegal's fault that our healthcare system is a mess. Talk about scapegoating.

    It is plain delusional to blame illegals that work for less than minimum wage as being the prime reason for our state of healthcare. Blame illegals, but oh no...not those CEO's of insurance companies getting hundred million dollar bonuses. Our rates aren't going up because Blue Cross needs to raise it's quarterly earnings.

    Illegals getting "free healthcare" is simply a red herring being used by Republicans to derail any sort of substantive healthcare reform. Way to get distracted.
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    It is not a 'gross distortion' at all. Its very clear. Once an illegal is here 183 days (6 months) they qualify as a 'resident alien' and can get care under the Health Exchange. They will be given tax credits for the Exchange. The American public is still footing the bill. Why is this hard for you to grasp?

    Illegals don't deserve care, they are not citizens. Again, a simple concept you apparently fail to grasp. *I* pay for their care and it p!sses me off. Whats going to happen when its 40 million of them getting free care instead of 12 to 15?

    Health care reform doesn't require more handouts, more burden to the taxpayer, and lesser quality of care to legal citizens of this country.
    Last edit by LandauGuy on Sep 26, '09
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    LOL, I haven't been coming here cause it was so dead. And looky here.

    I do have a serious question though. About the whole "resident alien" thing.

    So, is it one of those things where something as simple as............a utility bill envelope being mailed to a U.S. address with your name on it is proof of residency?
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    Quote from eriksoln
    LOL, I haven't been coming here cause it was so dead. And looky here.

    I do have a serious question though. About the whole "resident alien" thing.

    So, is it one of those things where something as simple as............a utility bill envelope being mailed to a U.S. address with your name on it is proof of residency?
    It appears to be pretty much anything that can prove residency:

    http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...=96352,00.html
    You will be considered a U.S. resident for tax purposes if you meet the substantial presence test for the calendar year. To meet this test, you must be physically present in the United States on at least:

    1. 31 days during the current year, and
    2. 183 days during the 3-year period that includes the current year and the 2 years immediately before that, counting:
      • All the days you were present in the current year, and
      • 1/3 of the days you were present in the first year before the current year, and
      • 1/6 of the days you were present in the second year before the current year.

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    Hmmm, well, that residency thing seems to be the loophole then. Bah. Maybe I should go back to being A-political. I made a good argument for it when I was that way.

    I still say nursing is a fine working field to be in. Maybe its denial, but I just dont see the landslide of work conditions and wage that others are predicting. Hmmm, maybe instead of getting my BSN, I should go to plumbing school.
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    Quote from eriksoln
    Hmmm, well, that residency thing seems to be the loophole then. Bah. Maybe I should go back to being A-political. I made a good argument for it when I was that way.

    I still say nursing is a fine working field to be in. Maybe its denial, but I just dont see the landslide of work conditions and wage that others are predicting. Hmmm, maybe instead of getting my BSN, I should go to plumbing school.
    Moreso than wage or conditions I fear for quality of patient care. I feel that mexico's government should take care of mexican citizens. Not ONCE have I heard anyone suggest that Mexico pay directly for the care of its citizens in the united states. This is a reasonable, and logical solution that doesn't even enter into the equation.

    I don't want citizens of this country who have contributed to the workforce their entire lives to be in line for care behind illegal immigrants. It is wrong from any perspective. People who fought for this country in wars will potentially be behind illegal immigrants for care? Unacceptable.

    When American citizens will die awaiting transplants because an illegal was in line ahead of them, what sense does that make?

    As I stated, it would be ideal to be able to help everyone, but we don't live in an ideal world. This country is sitting atop 60 Trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. We all know that medicare and social security are on their last legs, and when baby boomers really start to drop out of the work force in substantial numbers in the next 10 to 15 years we are going to be in trouble.

    Throwing more wood on that fire isn't going to help put it out.
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    I am very, very concerned that we, as a society, are not proactively training the newer grads and taking them in and preparing for the 2015 exfiltration of nurses.

    I am very concerned that ALL of this hiring freezes, mandatory vaccinations and poor treatment of the newer nurses will hurt and bite them all in the end.

    I cannot understand our and lack of preparation. I just don't get it.

    I am one of many that is going to say, "I told you so."
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    Quote from JoPACURN
    I am very, very concerned that we, as a society, are not proactively training the newer grads and taking them in and preparing for the 2015 exfiltration of nurses.

    I am very concerned that ALL of this hiring freezes, mandatory vaccinations and poor treatment of the newer nurses will hurt and bite them all in the end.

    I cannot understand our and lack of preparation. I just don't get it.

    I am one of many that is going to say, "I told you so."
    OK. I think that is very relevant to what the OP is interested in, and I am too.

    Explain that to me further if you could. I've heard it before.
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    Quote from eriksoln
    OK. I think that is very relevant to what the OP is interested in, and I am too.

    Explain that to me further if you could. I've heard it before.
    Essentially, 500,000 nurses are 'needed now', and another 500,000 will be needed around 2016 when roughly 500,000 will start to retire from the work force.

    so between now and say, 2020, we supposedly 'need' a million nurses in this country.

    of course, I can't find a job at the moment....

    If nursing continues to be dead end I will kick it to the curb and go do something else. I feel foolish right now for believing the hype and spending substantial amounts of both money and time to become a nurse, then not be able to get a job.
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    Quote from eriksoln
    OK. I think that is very relevant to what the OP is interested in, and I am too.

    Explain that to me further if you could. I've heard it before.
    The field is filled with older nurses that will eventually HAVE to retire (can't do the work anymore, etc.,). When the economy turns around (and it will and it has so often done before)--the experienced nurses leave, go per-diem, advance themselves, stay at home, etc.,

    Who will be left?

    New grads. ****** off new grads.
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