Is Healthcare Still a Promising Field? - page 3

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I found the following article on USNews when I was checking out a link about PTs being one of the top ten careers in 2009. While perusing through this site, I've read several posts commenting how new RN graduates are having hard... Read More


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    I feel like these discussions happen every 2 days.

    Yes, the nursing labor market is not as strong as it was 1 or 2 years ago. But then again, what professional field is? There are people with MBAs doing telemarketing. Lawyers are doing temp jobs. Teachers are getting laid off left and right.

    People need to look at this while taking into consideration the state of affairs. Yes our current situation sucks, but healthcare is still a strong field for jobs considering all the other ones.

    And this ridiculousness about obama or dems supporting illegals getting care is so juvenile. He said straight up that it won't - what more do you want?

    You clearly also have no idea how legislation is written. Yes, the bill does not explicitly say that "illegal aliens won't get coverage" or that they won't have access to the public option (which can be quite easily managed). But that doesn't mean that they are going to get access. The bill doesn't also explicitly exclude bigfoot or mermaids either - doesn't mean that "Democrats want to cover THE HAIRY BIGFOOT AND FISHES" ...these ridiculous interpretations are just red herrings that the right wingnuts are trying to use to kill healthcare reform at all costs.
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    Quote from sunshine0509
    a hospital in nj use to offer new grads 28..now offers 22..i see salaries going down with reform/new grad surplus...at least intill 2020 when baby boomers start retiring
    This is another reason for forming strong unions. Why should management, corporations, and executives collectively "negotiate" against a single worker? Shouldn't workers also have the right to act collectively if they want as well to aggregate their power? The Company vs. a single worker is clearly a mismatch and thats why they can shove these ridiculous wages down our throats and fire us at any time since we're "at will" employees. You think physicians would take that lying down?
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    Quote from Agrippa
    I feel like these discussions happen every 2 days.

    Yes, the nursing labor market is not as strong as it was 1 or 2 years ago. But then again, what professional field is? There are people with MBAs doing telemarketing. Lawyers are doing temp jobs. Teachers are getting laid off left and right.

    People need to look at this while taking into consideration the state of affairs. Yes our current situation sucks, but healthcare is still a strong field for jobs considering all the other ones.

    And this ridiculousness about obama or dems supporting illegals getting care is so juvenile. He said straight up that it won't - what more do you want?

    You clearly also have no idea how legislation is written. Yes, the bill does not explicitly say that "illegal aliens won't get coverage" or that they won't have access to the public option (which can be quite easily managed). But that doesn't mean that they are going to get access. The bill doesn't also explicitly exclude bigfoot or mermaids either - doesn't mean that "Democrats want to cover THE HAIRY BIGFOOT AND FISHES" ...these ridiculous interpretations are just red herrings that the right wingnuts are trying to use to kill healthcare reform at all costs.
    Yeah, I'm going by listening to Obama, thats it. I dont have time for anything else. The other's interpretation requires way too much reading between the lines for me. I like to take people at face value. Obama says illegals will no longer be covered and explained how that will lower costs (as I did in my original post).

    Its kind of like football coaches trying to out think each other. Coach A talks about running a lot so Coach B says "He is trying to trick me, he is really going to pass". Then coach A thinks "He knows I am really trying to trick him so........................" and on and on. Trying to read the message behind this and that politicians views can get like that. I take it at face value. Obama says the new system will deter free healthcare. If it doesnt, good luck getting my vote next election. Its that simple.
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    Healthcare is and always will be a promising field. But along with everything else people really should not do this because of the money or because it has been called a "recession proof" profession.

    I resigned from a high paying job to go to nursing school and let me tell you it will take YEARS before I can make what I was making before in the corporate world.

    I became a nurse because I love science, psychology and learning something new each day.
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    Quote from Agrippa
    ...these ridiculous interpretations are just red herrings that the right wingnuts are trying to use to kill healthcare reform at all costs.
    The congressional research service is an arm of the library of congress and impartial. You should actually know what you're talking about before you comment, because right now, you very much do not.

    Perhaps it was also the 'right wingnuts' who were behind the congressional budget office's assessment that health care done the Obama way would do nothing but drag us deeper into debt, right? Oh wait, no it wasn't because thats an impartial office as well.

    So: The congressional budget office says it'll drive us trillions deeper into debt, and the congressional research service says illegals will get care, and you doubt that? LOL. These people work directly for congress in an official capacity and issue these very reports directly to members of congress.

    I give facts (with links) while you sit and insult with nothing but what you "believe" to be true backing your argument. You should work hard to understand the players and details before you take people at their word.

    The dems in the Ways and Means committee had no reason to defeat the Heller Amendment along strict party lines unless they ABSOLUTELY wanted illegals to get care.
    Last edit by LandauGuy on Sep 26, '09
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    Quote from LandauGuy
    The congressional research service is an arm of the library of congress and impartial. You should actually know what you're talking about before you comment, because right now, you very much do not.
    This is why until recently I was A-political. I used to be one of those guys on the Jay Leno skit "Jay Walking" who couldnt answer who the vice pres was. So many political fanatics get so bent out of shape when you dont agree with their interpretations. Thousands of people, all hearing the same speech, all with the same info available to them and each and every single one has a completely different take on the issue.

    You could spend every waking hour interpreting this stuff and be no closer to the truth than me when I didnt know who the VP was. Thats why I like the face value approach.
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    Quote from eriksoln
    So many political fanatics get so bent out of shape when you dont agree with their interpretations. Thousands of people, all hearing the same speech, all with the same info available to them and each and every single one has a completely different take on the issue.
    You dont seem to really 'get it'. The Office of Congressional Research works DIRECTLY FOR CONGRESS. They aren't some random third party. They work for and report directly to congress members. Their very mandate IS interpretation of law, legal issues resulting from laws, moral/ethical concerns, what services or other laws will be affected by enacting a law, etc.

    When that 1000 page bill goes to congress members, the CRS are the people that condense it down into a readable form for them to actually be able to understand.

    http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/index.html
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    Could we please bring this back to the point of the OP? There are plenty of threads debating US health care reform and this isn't one of them. Thank you.
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    Quote from LandauGuy
    You dont seem to really 'get it'. The Office of Congressional Research works DIRECTLY FOR CONGRESS. They aren't some random third party. They work for and report directly to congress members. Their very mandate IS interpretation of law, legal issues resulting from laws, moral/ethical concerns, what services or other laws will be affected by enacting a law, etc.

    When that 1000 page bill goes to congress members, the CRS are the people that condense it down into a readable form for them to actually be able to understand.

    http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/index.html
    Landau You should not waste your breath--some people don't want to get it--thanks for all of your valuable info--all I can say is that when the independent researchers (CRS) that you hire come back and tell you that it will not work you should have enough sense to listen to them. Taking someone (Obama or Congress) at face value when it involves completely revamping a system that is responsible for 1/6th of our economy strikes me as being irresponsible and dangerous--Like Congress has never lied before? Really!!

    Someone else said, "You clearly also have no idea how legislation is written. Yes, the bill does not explicitly say that "illegal aliens won't get coverage" or that they won't have access to the public option (which can be quite easily managed). But that doesn't mean that they are going to get access."

    Are you kidding me? The only way to exclude illegals from coverage is to explicitly state it in the legislation. As a matter of fact, in Washington if it is not explicitly stated then it is assumed that it is not prohibited.
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    Quote from LandauGuy
    The congressional research service is an arm of the library of congress and impartial. You should actually know what you're talking about before you comment, because right now, you very much do not.

    Perhaps it was also the 'right wingnuts' who were behind the congressional budget office's assessment that health care done the Obama way would do nothing but drag us deeper into debt, right? Oh wait, no it wasn't because thats an impartial office as well.

    So: The congressional budget office says it'll drive us trillions deeper into debt, and the congressional research service says illegals will get care, and you doubt that? LOL. These people work directly for congress in an official capacity and issue these very reports directly to members of congress.

    I give facts (with links) while you sit and insult with nothing but what you "believe" to be true backing your argument. You should work hard to understand the players and details before you take people at their word.

    The dems in the Ways and Means committee had no reason to defeat the Heller Amendment along strict party lines unless they ABSOLUTELY wanted illegals to get care.

    I never said that the LOC was incorrect. I said that your far fetched interpretation of these bills - that illegals will get free healthcare - is incorrect. I've actually worked for congress and used services such as the CRS. No one, not the LOC, the CRS, or any other congressional no partisan office has published anything that confirms that in any of the healthcare reform bills will "illegals get free healthcare". Your silly interpretation that just because the bill doesn't specifically spell out every entity that won't be covered into this bill as an affirmation of guaranteed free healthcare for illegals is mistaken at best and propaganda at worst. I guarantee that none of the healthcare bills will have any language that specifically states that bunnies or unicorns won't be covered. That doesn't mean that Obama wants to give healthcare to mythical creatures. This is just another example of how far republicans will go to distort facts so they can railroad healthcare reform. The loser is the American People.
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