Goodbye OT: RN's LOOSERS, LPN's WINNERS - page 6

From MSN, the new OT bill was passed. RN's you loose, LPN's win. Overhaul redefines overtime pay rules advertisement More lower-income workers are guaranteed overtime pay, but workers such as chefs, journalists... Read More

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    Quote from rasmu
    Maybe the shortage of nurses will hold these forces at bay for the short term, but if that shortage ever goes away..... Look out.
    If anything, these overtime rules will probably drive more nurses out of the hospitals, the quality of patient care will deteriorate, and the hospitals will suffer. Its no secret that some RNs are making more $$$ than some physicians, and if the hospitals could figure out a reasonable way to cut overtime for RNs they would do it in an instant. But, management will be cautious because they don't want to lose their best nurses. The smart administrators know that continuous staff turnover is much more costly than paying overtime.

    As for the nursing shortage. Sure, there's lots of people applying to nursing school these days but most flunk out along the way, and according to the DOL the number of new grads continues to be small relative to the number of people who leave for other professions or retire. Despite Bush's efforts, I'm very optimistic about the future of the profession.

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    Quote from Tony35NYC
    If anything, these overtime rules will probably drive more nurses out of the hospitals, the quality of patient care will deteriorate, and the hospitals will suffer. Its no secret that some RNs are making more $$$ than some physicians, and if the hospitals could figure out a reasonable way to cut overtime for RNs they would do it in an instant. But, management will be cautious because they don't want to lose their best nurses. The smart administrators know that continuous staff turnover is much more costly than paying overtime.

    As for the nursing shortage. Sure, there's lots of people applying to nursing school these days but most flunk out along the way, and according to the DOL the number of new grads continues to be small relative to the number of people who leave for other professions or retire. Despite Bush's efforts, I'm very optimistic about the future of the profession.
    Yee gads! I've been admitted as a nursing student to an RN program, and will be starting in the Fall. What do they DO to student nurses to make them all flunk out?

    Nursing is a second career for me, and I am also quite optimistic that I have made the right choice. (I used to be a computer programmer before the job market became flooded with cheap overseas computer programmers and all the jobs disappeared). I can see some tough things going on in the nursing field, but what particularly impresses me is the high ideals repeatedly expressed on this website, despite the adversity. I am glad I will soon be one of you.
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    Just one more reason I am glad I went the IC route.
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    I live in VA and Unions are frowned upon at best... but I would be the first one to sign up. I wonder where NLN or ANA stands on this? I thought they were supposed to be our one voice, one vote representatives? :angryfire


    Quote from NannaNurse
    I agree.......WE are the one's who will have to STAND UP AND YELL AS LOUD AS WE CAN THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!! I've said for a long time, I will we nurses had the 'balls' to pick a day and make it a 'National Nurses Sit Out Day' where all of us, regardless of title, LPN and RN alike...we are all PROFESSIONAL people and we are getting royally screwed :hatparty:
    We really can't complain about our work load, hours, etc....because we had stood by and allowed it to happen.
    We all need to get unionized and let the 'powers that be' we are sick and tired and we are not going to take it anymore.
    Until we all, as one voice, one group, are heard AND seen, we are going to keep working our butts off and line the pockets of other people who really don't give a crap :angryfire
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    Many students fail because of lack of work ethic or lack of brain! You can't be lazy or stupid to do this however those traits may kick in after graduation as you will see on many units. (No kidding!!!) The work load is hard, some instructors can be even harder. There are so many factors that contribute to a student's pass / fail. A good support system, a certain amount of self discipline, and a general curiosity will get you far. Hard work and dedication to the books will get you farther. Good luck and watch out for that OT!!! LOL
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    Quote from Tony35NYC
    The shortage won't go away
    I had one other thought I would like to share. I've read what you said, and I think that it is a distinct possibility that the nursing shortage could intensify in the way that you describe. And also, there is the factor of the aging population which could also exacerbate the shortage.



    I guess I'm just looking at this thing from the perspective of a battle-tested white collar worker, who has lost his job and can no longer make a living doing what he was trained to do. And to a certain degree, I may be in a completely different mind-set than some of my future co-workers. But I just want to warn people to never leave themselves with a blind spot and believe that the future is fixed. Just 6 or 7 years ago, with the Y2K problem and all the Internet companies starting up there was lot of talk that there would be a shortage of computer programmers that would never go away. And we computer programmers got completely blindsided. We never saw it coming. Management of all the tech companies worked hand in hand with Congress to flood the market with inexpensive foreign workers. That was management's solution to the shortage problem. I'm just warning people that there are many possible forces at work here, and not to ever leave themselves with a blind spot.



    This may heresy here. But I do actually want to work lots of overtime when I become a nurse. Between my computer information systems degree and my nursing degree, I will owe over $50K in student loans when I am done. I just don't want the overtime to be mandatory and unpaid.



    I'm entering this field with very high ideals. The reason I want to become a nurse, as opposed to something else, like a lawyer, is precisely because I want help people and to be very kind to my patients and help them through difficult times and to be part of the force for good in a world that is being overrun by a war mentality and by greed. But at the same time, I've been stung hard by having lost my job, having lost my home and having lost my ability to earn a living, and I have also developed a very harsh attitude to defeat these MBA types and fight for what is good.
    Last edit by rasmu on May 6, '04
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    Rasmu, you read like a great future nurse...and there will be plenty of OT for you when you turn out don't worry....that hasn't changed over the decades I've been a nurse! I worked some OT to get out of debt when I was young...selectively...but as I age I no longer have the energy....3 12's are enough for this ol' gal.

    Most of us who stick with nursing also went into it to do good...one person at a time.

    What is frustrating is the barriers we find when we try to act on our high ideals. We find we do the best we can and try to not be consumed by the often debilitating conditions nurses must work under. Poor management, lack of support and high liability for error are a few.

    I wish all student nurses well...and to go in with eyes wide open and a battle plan to protect yourself. Frustrated and stressed workers don't always behave well, and I find that WHO I work with makes or breaks a job for me. So, 'Know thyself' goes a long way in determining longevity in this field IMO.
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    Quote from jbro
    i wonder how many extra shifts i'd be picking up without making overtime?
    Before I left University Hospiital, many years ago now, they had switched from OT to Comp Time.
    The long and short of it, we moved out of town so I had no choice but to resign and leave, unused and unpaid nearly 2 months of comp time (gathered over about 8 years.)
    I have no idea if they still "do" comp time.
    Tho I am still a nurse, I am not young anymore and don't want a job that requires the energy of youth! Not old either I might add, just arthritic, overweight and yes, I know I can change it!


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