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No. 80
from emmycRN
Old Jan 12, 2008, 02:20 PM

Default Re: Glen Beck's hospital experience
Originally Posted by klmRN234 View Post
Instead of being insulted by Glen Beck's tirade, why not take a step back and see what he is really trying to get across to our profession. Be Compassionate! Our patients are sick, they are in pain, and they are foremost scared. How much of an effort does it really take to acknowledge the patient and his pain? Even though it's hard at times (!), I try to treat each patient (VIP or not) as I would want me or my family members cared for.
The most compassionate people I know are nurses. I think that the vast majority of us respond appopriately and with great love and compassion to our patients who are sick and in pain. This guy, IMO, has not presented his experience truthfully. Now, this may be due to excessive pain meds or lack of knowledge but the fact remains that nursing has been unfairly given a "black eye" by this guy. Just my opinion.
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No. 81
from emmycRN
Old Jan 12, 2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nurse.pammy View Post
I don't work in the ER, but if a post-op patient came into the dept c/o SEVERE pain and difficulty breathing, anxious, unable to sit in a chair--shouldn't he be assessed right away?
I think he was assessed by the triage nurse and it was determined that he could wait. Post-op pain is not really an emergency, although it is something that should be dealt with urgently. Also, as another poster mentioned, we don't know what was happening in that ER that night (trauma, code, ect).
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No. 82
from Overland1
Old Jan 12, 2008, 02:51 PM

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Whether or not Glenn Beck is arrogant, drank during his 20's, said that wanted to be President back when he was in kindergarten, etc., there is likely more to all of this than what we have seen, heard, and/or read. Some of the previous posts have hit the nail on the head. Consider the following:

People come to the ER for chief complaints that should be seen in the urgent care or doc's office.

Many who come to the ER think they should be placed ahead of everybody else, regardless of their chief complaint.

Some of those expect preferential treatment because they claim to know one of the administrators (or work for GE).

Many problems people have with their care can be traced to their lack of knowledge and/or our lack of communication with them. While many in the health professions are good listeners and teachers, many are not. Heck, many among us do not even listen to each other.... do we really listen to patients and their families?

Many patients and families expect the unrealistic (i.e., instant and permanent relief from long term chronic pain).

Much of the above boils down to communication, and the opinions (good or bad) of us that are spread around out there are often the result of our ability (good or bad) to communicate. We need to be totally up front with our patients and families, and do so in plain language. How many times have any of us used the "jargon" when talking with a patient? I recall a patient of a few years ago who is an electrical engineer (a very bright guy in his first hospitalization) whose IV had infiltrated. The primary nurse informed him that she was going to "DC" the IV. His response was, "you are going to apply voltage to that IV???" Sounds strange, but he honestly did not know what the term meant. He refused until he could discuss it with somebody else (he was a fussy sort of guy, but generally OK). I arrived soon afterward and introduced my self, and he recounted the incident. I explained that the nurse is very skilled and qualified, and that she had just used "a medical term that means to remove or discontinue a particular treatment or device." He was OK with that, and the nurse "DC'd" the failed IV. Think about it.... if this patient had used a term such as "Smith chart" (EE's know what this is ) with the nurse, she would not have understood his context and probably would have thought he was referring to the patient chart of somebody named Smith. So it goes both ways.

Beck's account of his hospital experience appeared to me as though he was still under the influence of medication, but I am not certain of that. Granted, he may not have been provided complete and understandable information about his care processes. He may not have been totally alert and oriented when it was (properly) explained to him. All of the above may be what caused the result - a bad review of health care by an uninformed patient.

I wonder if he received and returned a Press Ganey survey a week or so later........
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No. 83
Old Jan 12, 2008, 07:54 PM
Updated Jan 12, 2008 at 08:00 PM by End Game RN

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Where are the traditional, professional nurses? Many of these postings are disheartening to me as someone who loves and lives this profession 24/7.
Sigh.............................
Before I forget, anyone can post anything on the world wide web anytime they want. People also have the right (in this country anyway) to free speech. You can argue he has unfair advantage because of who he is..but so do others with different opinions and they don't hesitate to express them.

I am so impressed with the compassion, caring and non-judgemental commentarys I have read. I am especially impressed with Marvie and emmycRN whose postings are nearly identical.( I'm sure there are others that I didn't bother reading). Where is the kindness and understanding for this man who was clearly frightened and angered by his experience. I am gratified that these and other individuals repeatedly pointed out that he is an alcoholic, a drama queen, a wuss, a whinner and that his radio and television programs are crap. Thanks for the update.

Thank G-d for their insight, clearly they somehow have personal knowledge of this man, his life, his failures as a person.. strike that..personal failures as a human being. Oooh all of us out here are so perfect!!!

Despite Hippa..it seems some of the people posting their opinions have accurate and inside information about Glenn Beck's medical & surgical care as well as personal knowledge of his personal medical history, hospitalizations, his signing out AMA (allegedly but somehow comes across as confirmed)

I was especially impressed with the commentary that he was fortunate to have health insurance and could get health care when other people can't. Oh My....thats a crime having health insurance.
Apples and Oranges, one thing has nothing to do with the other.
I have health insurance..I suffer no guilt over having it. I also have an investment porfolio..again, no guilt, just planning. worse yet, I invest in vice since no one is allowed to dictate personal behaviors.

Now about the comments how the medication for pain was not dangerous..Uh..go back to school. In a recovery room setting problems may get picked up, yes, I said maybe. This man was over medicated and abused by the health care system for what ever reason.
Frankly I would report this entire incident to hospital and professional regulatory agencies for an independent investigation regarding the type of care Mr. Beck received. I would focus on the medication he was administered and prescribed and the people who prescribed and administered it. He was ignored and dissed when he went to the ER stating he couldn't breathe...this is abuse. He told people he could not breathe, these "professionals" knew that this patient was taking prescribed pain medication/s and they blew him off...I know there are some individuals, groups and a Nation or two that would celebrate his death but nursing is outside the realm of personal politics. At least I thought so.

O.K., lets discuss someone who has had free health care for himself and his family since his early adulthood, is a known alcoholic and is still known to consume "moonshine". Some how he managed to run himself off a bridge some years ago, forgetting someone else was in the car. He got off for that small incident and excuses were made for him. He still gets elected over and over again and no one questions his right to health care and shouldn't he be grateful that he has it? If anyone gets special treatment anywhere it is this man along with his "people" and members of our government. Many with drug and alcohol offenses, many with adultery and rape, prostitution, soliciting sex..illegal land deals, stock market crimes..just name it. How about nepotism? How about powerful people who are video taped using crack cocaine or discussing cocaine transactions with federal agents on video??? What about the Congressman who had a male prostitution ring in his basement with his significant other but denied he knew anything about it. Why is it that these individuals are treated with more compassion than some man who had a bad hospital & surgical experience.

So, just chill out, Glenn Beck isn't Satan, nor his mentally challenged little brother (as Stephen King calls him). He is only a man, and like the rest of us he is imperfect, but he comes across as a decent person.

For the record I have provided care to individuals who have commited child rape and murder, a rapist with both male and female victims Men who have shot people in the face after robbing them and no longer had any understandable reason for terminating their "client",as a defense attorney might say. I have taken care of a police officer who was shot in the head and was what is called a "dirty cop" I have taken care of drug dealers (higher end) who were shot up, I have had the rich and the famous (in their own mind)as my patients. The list is endless....And their is no difference between them and us.
I take care of them as if they were my own family and I do this naturally.

I often joke with new nurses that I could take care of Hitler, Stalin, Vlad the Impaler, Klingons, Romulans or whoever I'm assigned to the same as I would any other person. I stress to new staff that their personal feelings about a patient's profession, politics, criminal/antisocial behaviors, social and/or economic status are irrelevant when providing professional nursing care to that patient. I advise them to deal with a patient the same way they would a family member they liked (key word, LIKED)

Oh..to any "insider" who may read this..I wasn't implying that Glenn Beck fit into any of the above categories.

Lets just drop this entire discussion unless there are still some who want to continue to crucify Glenn Beck in this venue.

Who was it who said "Those of you who are without sin, cast the first stone" O.K something like that.

See ya

EekaEndGameRN
Minor Deity
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No. 84
Old Jan 12, 2008, 09:03 PM

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Nice post Mr. Minor Deity . . .


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No. 85
from charebec65
Old Jan 12, 2008, 11:19 PM

Default Re: Glen Beck's hospital experience
Originally Posted by SharonH, RN View Post
So Glenn Beck is whiny and self-important? What a surprise. He really seems to be upset because he wasn't treated like the celebrity he thinks he is. I've taken care of hundreds of guys like him, guys who on a certain level think they are just a little (or a lot) better than most people and are surprised when their every need isn't catered to as it should be(in their minds). He expected to be whisked right back because his doctor called ahead and was surprised when the nurses didn't bow down when he walked in. His physician should have admitted him directly to the floor. Actually he should have never been given the option to go home; hemorrhoidectomys are very painful and he already had pain control issues. The error in this case belongs to "absolutely amazing" Littlejohn and Stamford.
What about Beck who refused to be admitted...
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No. 86
from SShannon81
Old Jan 13, 2008, 12:00 AM

Default Re: Glen Beck's hospital experience
Well like you said End Game RN....free speech, right?
He could have complained to the hospital but no he instead took it there...he went and said HOSPITALS.Which in my opinion implies all hospitals. he didnt say HOSPITAL X OR NURSE X. He spoke so highly of his docs and put the nurses in the gutter.
He also posted the name of his doctor which is not hard to google to find out what specialty and then go on to figure out what he had done.
We are not putting him on the cross. He did that all by himself. Did he expect that the healthcare community would have nothing to say to his rant. I believe there are fair and just ways to handle things instead of jumping to conclusion. I love my profession too but I dont take to kindly to being dumped on by someone I dont know
My point is hey he should be specific instead of throwing everyone into the mix.
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No. 87
from RNgonewild
Old Jan 13, 2008, 02:12 AM

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I would have liked to help him out....with a nice fluffy pillow. All patients should be treated the same, with dignity, no matter their monetary worth. I have never heard of this guy, but I'm guessing he hasn't killed himself yet. At least not until he can sue the hospital that made him wait for care.
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No. 88
Old Jan 13, 2008, 03:03 AM

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SShannon81, good to meet you!

Don't personalize this. He was incoherent, frightened, and overwhelmed by his experience. There is no insult, no injury in his rant, especially considering what he went through. He didn't nail himself to the cross..we did!! Angry because some of us decided to take his statements and charges and complaints personally. He has been attacked personally and vilified unjustly by many of our brothers and sisters in Nursing.
Many I suspect took this opportunity to trash this man because of who he is, not what actually happened to him. Some posts were understanding, sympathetic even, some acknowledged that these things do happen. Glenn Beck simply stated his own truth, his own impression of the care he received. And he is correct..there are professionals in the health care field who simply do not care. No one at any level can deny this truth.

I strongly advise Mr. Beck to pursue this with the hospital administrators since he has seemed to recover emotionally (somewhat) and he needs to reevaluate what actually happened vs. his medication and pain influenced perceptions. Have his close friends and family who supported him during this time to review their perceptions of these events and compare them to his recollections and feelings. If they can do this and still feel that there is something at some level that needs to be brought to the attention of the hospital where he was treated, then for the benefit of all patients they should do so. It would be better to write a letter detailing the problems and concerns that they as a patient and family felt happened. No one can deny their right to do so.

Being one of the "old ones" I am familiar with events of this nature. I have personally witnessed nurses who are cold, unfeeling and speak out of turn in front of patients and their families. A new nurse may do this one time in front of me and that is the last time it happens..I have ways to re-educate stupid,cruel and unfeeling "professionals" I have no qualms about utilizing my "skills" to do so. I have heard nurses state that the patient should be allowed to die because of the age, diagnoses, and prior medical condition and/or history. I have heard and witnessed many forms of cruelty committed by members of our profession as well as by other health care workers. Physicians are not excluded in this group. I witnessed nurses ******** about a family not agreeing to organ donation, about some of the families wanting to learn the personal care of their family member or friend and being referred to as a pain in the ass.

PERSONAL EXAMPLES

As my older brother lay dying in a local hospital..not mine...Blood was being hung as my brother kept vomiting blood, projectile, which he began doing at home then was rushed to the hospital. A man..who displayed inappropriate body language and comments, in front of my entire family, stated real clear... "I can't believe I'm doing this, he's going to die anyway and I'm supposed to be on my break" He then turned to us, now gaping at him as if he were insane, and told us forcefully to accept that my brother was essentially dead and we should "get over it". He left the room without a backward glance. By the way, he didn't check the blood, no second RN was present to do so anyway. He never looked at my brother's wrist band, never acknowledged us, his patient's family. My brother, though weak, dying, was alert. When the jerk RN left, my brother opened his eyes and told us to tell that RN that he need not return, that he had already accepted he was dying, and asked us to leave him alone.
Yeah..compassionate.

At another hospital where I was visiting I witnessed something similar. And in yet another local hospital, a very large and well known facility no, not my place of employment, I saw a patient lying on the floor with the door to his room open. Curious I stepped into the room, saw the patient lying essentially on his face, slightly turned to one side..clearly dead, easily ascertained by the color of the skin, frozen facial features and stiff appearing body. You think it was a while since anyone bothered to check on him?? I went out to the nursing station and told them that the patient in room xxxx was on the floor and dead, "just thought I'd let you know so you won't be surprised when you go to his room" I received blank stares, then a question from one of the nurses said it all.."How do you know he's dead? who do you think you are?" I told her to get off her ass and check the patient and that I was an RN and thank G-d I didn't work here.

My sister-in-law, critically ill, nearly eight years after diagnosis of bowel cancer, the effects of radiation and chemotherapy to this day remain. At one point during her hospitalization I informed my brother she was incompetent to make her health care decisions..she was septic from her port o cath that should have been removed several years earlier, but feared more surgery, no matter how minor it may be. Prior to this being removed, after cultures came back positive for MRSA, STREP , E COLI ( home health nurse, real friendly, my family liked him, even let his daughter ride one of our horses, had questionable hand washing techniques) she colonized yeast...name it. She had fevers of 106 F and was skeletal. She waited to die, my family waited for her to die. I pitched a major fit, called the surgeon, who I still to this day adore..got the implanted port out of her without any interference from my brother or his wife. She survived all of this, then one day I walked into her room and found amphotericin lipid form, zosyn and vancomycin hanging and infusing simultaneously through a single 22 gauge piv. I gently, in a conversational tone asked the nurse why all of these medications were infusing at the same time and via this iv route. She told me that it was easier and faster to get them in all at once and what was it to me anyway she knew what she was doing, then in front of my brother's wife she said that it was clear that she was going to die anyway. I stepped out of the room, had a psychotic break that strangely enough left me calm & collected. I left the hospital, called the floor via cell and asked to speak to their clinical educator. When she came on the telephone, I introduced myself, stated my concerns, all very calm, rational. The educator admitted that this was a new nurse, still learning and she said my concerns were justified and she would take care of it. Then I WENT NEUTRON BOMB..me, the calm, rational professional lost it. The issue was dealt with and surprisingly to everyone, except me, she lived, recovered after several other set backs. She works full time now and is neurologically intact.

Again, an uncaring nurse, no matter how new compassion does not come with a degree.

I had an external fixator on my left thigh after removal of a bone tumor, .leg swelled around the fixator, in intense agony. Returned to hospital (not mine as the ortho oncology service worked out of this other facility and it was easier to get OR time). Went by ambulance, told at door they were closed to emergency admissions. when I told the ambulance crew to bring me to JMH, suddenly the staff did not want me to leave. I was told that I was not special and I would have to wait with the rest of the patients in the ER. I was wearing a t-shirt and underwear only lying on a wooden back board, uncovered, no pillow and no support for my swollen thigh. I heard the triage nurse tell the ambulance crew to just put me on the floor in the waiting room and I'll be seen to later. I asked them to straight cath me because I couldn't pee. After some bickering amongst the staff I was taken to a small room by two men, I clung to the uniform of one of the ambulance guys who brought me and begged him not to leave me alone. My advocate, my best friend, and a female was not permitted to go with me, her husband later came to f/u with us. He went into the room with me. Two men and me. The RN removed by underwear and waved it at me, smiling he said, "Oh Victoria Secret underwear, I guess we could have some fun" The ambulance guy, I think he was in his twenties, just gaped at this nurse. After the cath, I was told that my insurance would not pay for this admission..What??? I asked I begged to be taken to JMH and was refused by the staff to allow this. Eventually I was taken to a stretcher with an actual soft mattress. three hours after all of this drama I received my first pain medication. I was spilled onto the stretcher directly on my external fixator with my thigh pressed into the bar. I cried., I sobbed and was frightened that this could happen to anyone. This nurse who seemed to take undue pleasure in hurting me said with a smile, again in front of the ambulance crew and a couple of other staff members, portable x-ray techs..He said "I'll bet that hurt!.

I did report this to hospital administration, but was horribly traumatized and at one point was suicidal from the pain. This experience can be verified by those who witnessed this and my friend and her husband, later her son who also witnessed this example of fine, professional ER triage nursing. I am experienced to know this again was an isolated incident with one sadistic individual..
The real story here was the staff who witnessed this and lowered their heads when I looked at them for help, did not interfere in this man's treatment of me, they did not step in to stop what happened to me. That ultimately was a crime. The floor nurses where I was finally sent were truly outstanding individuals and exemplified nursing at its best. The only good thing that came out of this experience is that I became "Super Nurse" when I returned to work. I was very good before, but became obsessive about patient care.. there was nothing I would not do for my patients and families, I still hold myself to a higher standard and sometimes it kills me.

I am not ranting..I know to some degree what happened to Glenn Beck does happen in health care facilities everywhere.

Prison nurses who allow a child to be beaten to death, a young man who became a quadriplegic while being arrested for some dumb ass crime. He was placed on a chair in jail and kept falling to the floor. He was labeled uncooperative. jail nurses had no clue. He was eventually admitted to us, he eventually died. Oh yes, **** happens.

Despite all of the experiences I've had, I experienced, I witnessed good, bad, indifferent, cruel...these things actually occur very rarely, but when they do...Oh brother, look out, we are all painted with the same brush in the media.

Have a heart, deal with the fact that some of us don't represent our profession well in the community, our families and friends, the media. Some of our people are monsters, but this is exception, not the rule. It is our responsibility to weed these people out before they can do harm, or any more harm.

We are a great profession and have so much to be proud of!! But we need to keep an open mind when interacting with our clients and really take the time to listen to them...

Now you know some of my secrets and my pain and to some degree my guilt in feeling that I don't always perform to my own standards.

Bye

End Game RN
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No. 89
Old Jan 13, 2008, 07:50 AM

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Very interesting thread--

Just some questions: Could he have had a Nicotine patch (or two) on and decided it was Fentanyl?

Perhaps some other kind of dressing which he decided was Fentanyl?

Was he hyperventilating, causing him to think he couldn't breathe and was dying?

And as for those who are concerned we are crucifying the gentleman, well, that seems to be his job in life, as well.

I know, off the wall, but ya gotta wonder...


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