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From Medscape CME: May 28, 2009 — Blood-pressure-lowering drugs should be offered to everyone, regardless of their blood pressure level, as a safeguard against coronary heart disease and stroke, researchers who conducted a... Read More


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    Quote from GilaRN
    That does not make any sense. Most clinical trials are funded by drug companies. NIH grants fund smaller projects in the academic environment; however, the drug companies are paying for most of the identification, production, and testing of the latest and greatest therapies.
    Where did you get reliable information about pharmaceutical companies funding their own research? I'd like to see provable figures.

    I worked with the American Cancer Society's California Division Service Committee some years ago, evaluating and approving grants. None went to drug companies, but I was told the NIH and HHS funds them, by administrators at those government departments that I visited I(again, some years ago).
    Last edit by lamazeteacher on Jun 7, '09 : Reason: typo
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    "When my hypertension was first diagnosed, I was prescribed Zestril. It did a good job of controlling my BP, but it induced depression and a flat affect. I didn't care about anything and I had no motivation at all. I switched to another medication and the symptoms disappeared. And these aren't even among the listed side effects of the drug. " quote from Orca's post#

    Thank you so much for sharing your experience while taking the anti-HTN drug.
    I can only imagine (not quite, as I've been severely depressed) the effect it would have on those diagnosed with clinical depression before taking an ant-HTN drug; and those on an antidepressive might have the effect of that drug's therapeutic action cancelled........
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    Quote from lamazeteacher
    Where did you get reliable information about pharmaceutical companies funding their own research? I'd like to see provable figures.

    I worked with the American Cancer Society's California Division Service Committee some years ago, evaluating and approving grants. None went to drug companies, but I was told the NIH and HHS funds them, by administrators at those government departments that I visited I(again, some years ago).
    http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/290/1/113

    You can start here, then look at the article references. Even back in the early 2000's, drug companies funded many of the clinical trials. This is not a new concept.
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    Quote from Knoodsen
    Right on! Power to the pill. Everyone should be on lots of meds. Ask your doctor. I'm working on a study that proves all humans have fibromyalgia and ought to be taking vicodin, soma, and xanax.
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    Quote from GilaRN
    That does not make any sense. Most clinical trials are funded by drug companies. NIH grants fund smaller projects in the academic environment; however, the drug companies are paying for most of the identification, production, and testing of the latest and greatest therapies.
    Drug discovery is often funded by NIH, and then, after a drug proves worthwhile in initial trials, it is picked up by a pharmaceutical firm for further clinical trials. The pharmaceutical companies do some drug discovery of their own, as well. I wish I knew the portion that is funded publicly; it would be worth pursuing legislation to require the drug companies to reimburse the public for molecules that go on to make billions of $ for them.
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    Quote from Knoodsen
    Right on! Power to the pill. Everyone should be on lots of meds. Ask your doctor. I'm working on a study that proves all humans have fibromyalgia and ought to be taking vicodin, soma, and xanax.
    Throw in a handful of Vioxx and a few benzos and I'll help with your study for free!
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    I am a T1 diabetic on an insulin pump and take BP meds for kidney prophy, yet in the hospital and Dr, my BP it is always perfect and the hospital asks, "why are you taking HBP meds if your BP is fine." UGH! Trying to explain to yet another Dr about kidney prophy and diabetics. My A1C is 5.2%-5.6% even.
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    Quote from WhyattMorgansMom
    I am a T1 diabetic on an insulin pump and take BP meds for kidney prophy, yet in the hospital and Dr, my BP it is always perfect and the hospital asks, "why are you taking HBP meds if your BP is fine." UGH! Trying to explain to yet another Dr about kidney prophy and diabetics. My A1C is 5.2%-5.6% even.
    Not unreasonable to put diabetics on ACE inhibitors. Too bad your other providers do not understand other indications for ACE inhibitor therapy.
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    I agree, I think that ALL diabetics, despite "type" should be on them for kidney prophy. Wish more Dr's were "up on D therapy" as us with D (that are int he loop) are. Scary to think that some ppl trust there Dr 100% and have no clue!
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    Quote from WhyattMorgansMom
    I agree, I think that ALL diabetics, despite "type" should be on them for kidney prophy. Wish more Dr's were "up on D therapy" as us with D (that are int he loop) are. Scary to think that some ppl trust there Dr 100% and have no clue!
    If the blood pressure and sugar are well-controlled, what is the point of issuing BP meds? According to Professor Emeritus of Organic Chemistry, Joel Kauffman(Ph.D., M.I.T.) 14 drug patents and 100 peer reviewed publications, blood pressure medications do not increase lifespan. No, I do not trust physicians without question. I do not trust them because I know that many excellent hard scientists do not agree with the cholesterol theory. Jerome Kassirer, former head of the New England Journal of Medicine, Nephrologist, stated that statins are worthless. My primary care physician had Professor Kassirer in medical school, said that he was an outstanding physician and researcher. If you research the 2004 cholesterol panel, as stated by Dr. Kassirer, the vast majority of the panel was and is taking thousands of dollars per year from the drug companies. Here is a paper by Professor Kauffman, about risks of cholesterol and mammograms, the medication and the screenings are mathematically worthless. I have to warn readers, this paper is not an easy read. My father, who is a chemist, said that Professor Kauffman's math is correct.

    http://www.usp.edu/academics/college.../Kauffman.aspx

    Joel M. Kauffman, "Bias in Recent Papers on Diets and Drugs in Peer-Reviewed Medical Journals", J. Am. Physicians & Surgeons, 9(1), 11-14 (2004)

    http://www.jpands.org/vol9no1/kauffman.pdf


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