Fox News- Nursing: Recession Proof Career?
- 31Apr 8, '09 by Valerie Salvathis article was posted by hopefullyanrnsoon in the middle of the "nursing market cools" thread.
i thought the article was very interesting, and deserved its' own thread.
here it is:
"the reason i decided to do it is no matter where we go, no matter what happens economy-wise, this is an occupation i can count on and i can take with me," said gambill, a mother of three who had been a full-time teacher's aide."
here is the reply i sent to fox:
many nurses, myself included, believe that the so-called "nursing shortage" is a myth. thousands of nurses are unemployed, and unable to find jobs- especially new grads. thousands are collecting unemployment. we are baffled as to why the media has never caught onto this and continues to perpetuate the myth of a shortage.
the american nurses' association supports this belief:
"the ana maintains that the deterioration in the working conditions for nurses is the primary cause for the staff vacancies being reported by hospitals and nursing facilities - not a systemic nursing shortage. nurses are opting not to take these nursing jobs because they are not attracted to positions where they will be confronted by mandatory overtime and short staffing...." (1)
with articles like yours encouraging more and more people to come into an already saturated field, the outlook for nurses and nursing will only get worse. not only will there be fewer jobs for current nurses, but the shortage myth attracts people to the field who are not interested in nursing per se, but only in a "recession proof" career.
the us dept of labor bureau of labor statistics and the health resources administration(2) reports that there are currenly 500,000 licensed rns in the us currently not working in nursing, but only 400,000 current job openings. that's a surplus of 100,000 rns. but- why are they not working in nursing? poor working conditons, overwork, and being assigned to far more patients than a nurse can safely care for.
nurses, especially new and male nurses, are leaving nursing faster and in larger numbers than ever before. (3)
the media are always talking to hospital administrators, college professors, and nursing students about the so-called "shortage". they need to be talking to real, experienced working nurses- those of us in the trenches. we are the ones who truly know the score.
(1)ana's message to congress:
<<"ana believes that the u. s. healthcare industry has failed to maintain a work environment that is conducive to safe, quality nursing practice and that retains experienced u. s. nurses within patient care. ana supports continuation of the current certification process to apply to all foreign-educated health care workers regardless of their visa or other entry status. ana opposes efforts to exempt foreign-educated nurses from current h-1b visa program requirements.
the issues surrounding immigration and the nursing workforce:
the practice of changing immigration law to facilitate the use of foreign-educated nurses is a short-term solution that serves only the interests of the hospital industry, not the interests of patients, domestic nurses, or foreign-educated nurses.
ana condemns the practice of recruiting nurses from countries with their own nursing shortage.
(2) almost 500,000 licensed registered nurses were not employed as nurses in 2000.*
data from the health resources and services administration's (hrsa's) 2000 national sample survey of rns shows that more than 500,000 licensed nurses (more than 18% of the national nurse workforce) have chosen not to work in nursing. this available labor pool could be drawn back into nursing if they found the employment opportunities attractive enough**
the ana maintains that the deterioration in the working conditions for nurses is the primary cause for the staff vacancies being reported by hospitals and nursing facilities - not a systemic nursing shortage. nurses are opting not to take these nursing jobs because they are not attracted to positions where they will be confronted by mandatory overtime and short staffing. **
76.6% (of) licensed rns (in the u.s. are) employed in nursing***
* projected supply, demand and shortages of registered nurses: 2000-2020 (released on 7/30/03 by the national center for health workforce analysis, bureau of health professions, health resources and services administration, u.s. department of health and human services). the bureau of labor statistics.
(3) the washington post
recent graduates of the nation's nursing schools are leaving the profession more quickly than their predecessors, with male nurses bolting at almost twice the rate of their female counterparts, according to a recent study.
- 15Apr 10, '09 by TheCommuter Senior ModeratorNursing is NOT recession-proof. Rather, it is a career pathway that tends to cycle along with the ups and downs of the greater economy.
Believe it or not, but many nursing jobs have certainly been sucked away by the economy, especially in states such as California that have unemployment rates greater than 10 percent. These jobs won't return until fiscal times improve.
If masses of people are unemployed, they likely no longer have health insurance. Without health insurance, they can no longer afford to visit their doctor or undergo elective procedures at their favorite hospitals. This leads to less money for doctors and reduced revenues for hospitals, which results in less jobs for nurses. Nurses have no income if the patients are shying away from having healthcare services rendered.
While it is true that people will "always get sick," the unemployed people will avoid the hospital and suffer in misery at home until their health issues become really, really bad. When they do eventually end up in somebody's ER for care, they won't be able to pay the bill, which reduces hospital revenues, which causes management to not hire nurses they cannot really afford.
Some states have had the fortune of avoiding the downturn in the nursing job market, but other regions are truly hurting.
- 8Apr 10, '09 by CherryBlondeEverything being said at allnurses.com about the economy and lack of jobs for nurses is so TRUE TRUE TRUE!Everyone has their own opinon in the message boards as to why they think this is, but they all have the same answer, YES THIS IS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!Why can't the public pick up on it and the media?We have to help each other, like writing letters to your Congressmen and e-mails and letters to your local news. Everything that every allnurses member posts have truth to it. We can't just sit back and hope for the absolute best outcome. We can do something about it. Whenever I sign on to allnurses.com, there are about 3-4,000 people on the website. We can at least try to get the truth out to the country, whatever you believe the truth to be, They ALL could be right!We are a community of nurses and soon-to-be nurses that expands across the United States of America! I can't see our profession turn to crap, or as some experienced nurses know, See the nursing profession slump even more. A little could go a long way. What I have read on here the past 3-4 days has absolutely broken my heart. Let's try to help eachother and protect this beloved profession of nursing.:heartbeat
- 15Apr 10, '09 by NVhikeit's not just fox news, it's basically the media that says nursing is still a 'good field'. . . nursing is hiring hiring! if people only knew what the real deal is. unfortunately, there really isn't such thing as a 'safe career' any longer so, they have to come up with something! i suppose nursing is it. what's really sad is, no one really knows how long this 'depression' is going to be? or is it 'recession'? they both feel the same!. . . . sad but true.Last edit by NVhike on Apr 10, '09
- 18Apr 10, '09 by Elizabeth, RNI'm an RN who has been unemployed, not by choice, for over a year. I am in my late 50's and have medical problems so I no longer have the strength or stamina for hospital nursing. And SNF's are like the med-surg units used to be before DRG's and the rush to discharge patients too soon. I went to an interview last fall for adminstering flu shots for a private company and the hotel lobby was overflowing with nurses looking for this temporary work. And of the several positions I've applied for, most of the companies have not had the courtesy to respond at all. Where once we were wooed, now we are ignored. I loved nursing and thought I'd always have a job. But now I am several years from retirement and using my savings for everyday expenses. I pay about $500 a month for COBRA health insurance and another $350 in medical co-pays and expenses not covered, like chiropractic care. I have no other marketable skills that will get me a job in this economy. I didn't see this coming....
- 5Apr 10, '09 by pagandeva2000Another thing that is not mentioned at all is how this economy is affecting licensed practical nurses. In many areas, our opportunities are limited to LTC, corrections, home care. From what I read here, it is usually a bit easier to enter into an LPN program without the same waiting lists as RN programs, so, from what I see, the programs that are left are pumping out more students within a year. This saturates the market in our arena as well. What I am frightened about is this...I have been an LPN for close to three years, now and I worked in this hospital for 13 years. If they were to decide to lay off LPNs, then, we would be dealing with a saturated market that is even more competitive because we would face similar issues...new grads willing to work for less to gain experience, but under horrible conditions!!
I have definitely kept my eye on what is happening to our RN counterparts and it is saddening. But, I also feel that we should not be ignored...this is affecting us as well, and I would like to see the numbers for how this is affecting LPNs, CNAs and other ancillary medical personnel.
- 7Apr 10, '09 by CherryBlondeElizabeth, you sound so sweet. I had a similar experience. 2 or 3 months ago I got my CNA certificate b/c i thought i could get a job being a cna while in school. I got a call about 2 weeks after submitting my application for an interview on a busy cardiac unit in the hospital. I thought it went good and the lady said," i have 3 or 4 more interviews to go for the position, and i will give you a call or e-mail later on in the day. i waited and no answer at all. the next morning i called her and left her message thinking she must have gotten busy or the interviews ran late and she had no time or something. i said on the message if you would please call me back or e-mail me regarding the job position and thank you so much for taking the time. NEVER a call or thank you e-mail for your time or anything. i later learned the job went to an "experienced" person who had had their certificate for about 1-2 years and had just moved or relocated with her husband to my area from Michagen. I've had experience in that hospital through clinicals.I know how to chart in their computer,all isolation policies and procedures, how their insurance billibg procedure goes for medical supplies ie. creams, hair brushes, etc, i knew how to do that and countless other things. She chose to take an experienced person that will have to be orientated (which supposedly costs money and time) for 3 weeks, over a younger, experienced person that could orientate in less than half that time. Beats me. I feel like i saw it coming about 2 years ago when i was trying to get into the infamous ultra-competitive nursing school(s) with about 4-500 positions open combined.I thought" When they all graduate, are we all going to work at the General?" we have about 2 major hospitals in the area.Sorry so long:redpinkhe
- 3Apr 10, '09 by PierretteHospitals here in the Lexington, KY area are aggressively hiring.
Quote from BelleKatAlthough the poll is more than a year old, Fox News is the most trusted.Honestly! Fox News is an oxymoron.