Foreign nurses face the axe in Britain - page 3

london: new rules designed to safeguard jobs for british trainee nurses could mean that thousands of foreign nurses already employed here are forced out of work. with as many as 80 per cent of... Read More

  1. by   madwife2002
    Quote from tomskm
    Yes I agree, from the Indian graduate' perspective, even if you work in top notch hospitals in India you would still need to do a 6 month retraining and if you work elsewhere out of India the retraining period is halved to 3 months,-- funny even when these hospitals are 5 star luxury hospitals with equipment not commonly seen in NHS hospitals and managed either directly or indirectly by the US / UK Military or other big agencies .....


    Re: the sick leave abuse.... I just wonder, is there a cap for the number of sick days you can have off in a year which I presume every employee is entitled to for whatever reasons?
    Up to 6 months full pay depending on how long you have worked in the NHS, takes 5 years to get to 6 months. and then 6 months half pay. 12 weeks when you have worked 3 months.
  2. by   tomskm
    Quote from madwife2002
    Up to 6 months full pay depending on how long you have worked in the NHS, takes 5 years to get to 6 months. and then 6 months half pay. 12 weeks when you have worked 3 months.
    What would it be for someone who has spent about a year with the NHS ? are they entitled to about a month sick leave for the year ? In New Zealand and a few countries in the middle east you get 10 days sick leave for the year ...
  3. by   madwife2002
    12 weeks I believe
  4. by   Fil-RN
    That's unfortunate for those who'll be affected in the UK. I know a lot of people here would disagree with me when I say that it's unfair for them. I think we should try to put ourselves in their perspective by asking ourselves the question "Do I want to provide a better life for my family?" It may seem like a superficial reason to us who are living here in the US. I was born in the philippines and I'm now a U.S. Citizen through a petition by my mother. I've lived in the philippines for a few years and I understand why these people want to work abroad, wouldn't you do the same thing for your family? These nurses have sacrificed a lot for their families and it seems unfair that their fate would turn out to be that way. When there was a shortage in UK's health care system, these nurses rendered their services to them and now that they have no use for them, they would simply throw them away! It's not their fault that they are affecting the nursing graduates with regards to job placement. I think the british government should be blamed because they should have regulated the influx of foreign nurses in the first place. Like here in the US, the government only allows a certain number of foreign nurses per year. I've read some of the responses and it seems heartless of them to think of our fellow nurses that way. These people may be separated to us thru race, gender, etc. but they are still nurses.
  5. by   mahoogie
    Quote from Fil-RN
    When there was a shortage in UK's health care system, these nurses rendered their services to them and now that they have no use for them, they would simply throw them away!
    Thats awful..Well, we cant do anything if they will stop hiring foreign nurses and prioritize their locals, its their country they have the right to refuse...BUT, to throw away nurses who are now in UK is really devastating..I think they should give credit to these people even though they are just contractual workers..They were there when UK needed help..They are not illegal immigrants who commit crimes to be send home..They are professional nurses and need some due respect and credit even though they are not blood-born British..Its a shame...I have a high respect on the UK government and Prime Minister Tony Blair is one of my favorite Statesman..its really disappointing how they treat immigrants until now..what an evil barbaric move..
    Last edit by mahoogie on Sep 1, '06
  6. by   RNsRWe
    Quote from Fil-RN
    When there was a shortage in UK's health care system, these nurses rendered their services to them and now that they have no use for them, they would simply throw them away!
    I think it's important to remember that no one is being thrown away; workers with permanent arrangements are not affected. Those who have contracts covering finite periods of time will be. They knew at the time they signed their contracts that they might NOT be renewed; there were no guarantees. That's why there is an end date on the contract.

    It's not their fault that they are affecting the nursing graduates with regards to job placement. I think the british government should be blamed because they should have regulated the influx of foreign nurses in the first place.
    It's not a matter of assigning blame, but rather, the responsibility of a government to protect the citizens of that nation. The government's first responsibility is to its own citizens, NOT those whose allegiance is to other nations. That's supposed to be the whole point of a government body (theoretically, anyway!).

    Like here in the US, the government only allows a certain number of foreign nurses per year.
    Is this so? I was unaware of a US restriction on the number of foreign nurses allowed to practice in the US each year. Is this the case, and if so, what is that number? From what we in the general public can see, if there IS a cap, it appears to be too high for it to practically matter. I'm honestly unaware of there being a problem with licensed, properly-credentialed RNs NOT being allowed to practice in the US, regardless of their citizenship status.
    Last edit by RNsRWe on Sep 1, '06
  7. by   madwife2002
    Quote from Fil-RN
    That's unfortunate for those who'll be affected in the UK. I know a lot of people here would disagree with me when I say that it's unfair for them. I think we should try to put ourselves in their perspective by asking ourselves the question "Do I want to provide a better life for my family?" It may seem like a superficial reason to us who are living here in the US. I was born in the philippines and I'm now a U.S. Citizen through a petition by my mother. I've lived in the philippines for a few years and I understand why these people want to work abroad, wouldn't you do the same thing for your family? These nurses have sacrificed a lot for their families and it seems unfair that their fate would turn out to be that way. When there was a shortage in UK's health care system, these nurses rendered their services to them and now that they have no use for them, they would simply throw them away! It's not their fault that they are affecting the nursing graduates with regards to job placement. I think the british government should be blamed because they should have regulated the influx of foreign nurses in the first place. Like here in the US, the government only allows a certain number of foreign nurses per year. I've read some of the responses and it seems heartless of them to think of our fellow nurses that way. These people may be separated to us thru race, gender, etc. but they are still nurses.
    They are not being 'thrown away' as I stated earlier if they have a permenant job then they will not be asked to leave. But if they have a fixed term contract it probably wont be renewed. This is the same for the UK nurses who were born and bred in the UK-it is only a problem if the nurse has a fixed term contract. You have to understand the conditon of the NHS and that it is almost bankrupted.
    When you come from abroad you know when you sign on the dotted line that you are not being offered a permenant resident status in the UK. There is no cover up.
  8. by   tomskm
    Quote from Fil-RN
    I've read some of the responses and it seems heartless of them to think of our fellow nurses that way. These people may be separated to us thru race, gender, etc. but they are still nurses.
    You have touched a chord in my heart ...:roll

    one must remember these are human beings too and have not been leeches who suck dry the system but rather contribute to it .... trust me... not many will go back to countries of origin but to other places who would realise their true value and absorb them ...
    Last edit by tomskm on Sep 1, '06
  9. by   tomskm
    Quote from madwife2002
    You have to understand the conditon of the NHS and that it is almost bankrupted.
    Would one in their sane mind then consider the option of even thinking of going to the UK ?

    What about the general population ... have they started to experience the fallout of this bankcruptcy .... I have known of patients going over to India to bypass the long queues of the NHS...

    its now begining to become clearer....

    outsource health care to places where it can be done cheaper.....

    Like in NZ, certain health boards have started outsourcing their Radiology images to the Middle east and possibly India as there is an 'acute' shortage of radiologists........

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/sto...C583027AF1010F


    Globalization ..... :uhoh21:
    Last edit by tomskm on Sep 1, '06
  10. by   Faeriewand
    [quote=brian]london: new rules designed to safeguard jobs for british trainee nurses could mean that thousands of foreign nurses already employed here are forced out of work.
    with as many as 80 per cent of nursing graduates unable to find work, the government has with effect from yesterday removed nursing from its list of professions that bypass immigration rules.
    this means that overseas nurses will be given a job only if no suitable applicants come forward from britain or europe. but the change also applies to existing nurses from overseas once they reach the end of their contracts.
    "we're very concerned about what's going to happen to those nurses who are already working over here," said a spokesman for the royal college of nursing.



    well send those already-trained-english-speaking nurses over to the us!
  11. by   kalayaan
    Is this so? I was unaware of a US restriction on the number of foreign nurses allowed to practice in the US each year. Is this the case, and if so, what is that number? From what we in the general public can see, if there IS a cap, it appears to be too high for it to practically matter. I'm honestly unaware of there being a problem with licensed, properly-credentialed RNs NOT being allowed to practice in the US, regardless of their citizenship status.[/quote]


    well, there is a cap. and the caps going to be 'put on' this year. the cap isnt high bec nurses currently share the cap with physical therapists and families of nurses and families that immigrate with them. and it will matter if retrogression isnt avoided and if the us can find a way to train its own nurses. bec when retrogression kicks in, it will take 5 years before a a foreign nurse can come to the US.
  12. by   lee1
    [quote=faeriewand]
    Quote from brian
    london: new rules designed to safeguard jobs for british trainee nurses could mean that thousands of foreign nurses already employed here are forced out of work.
    with as many as 80 per cent of nursing graduates unable to find work, the government has with effect from yesterday removed nursing from its list of professions that bypass immigration rules.
    this means that overseas nurses will be given a job only if no suitable applicants come forward from britain or europe. but the change also applies to existing nurses from overseas once they reach the end of their contracts.
    "we're very concerned about what's going to happen to those nurses who are already working over here," said a spokesman for the royal college of nursing.



    well send those already-trained-english-speaking nurses over to the us!

    and why do you think that for 40 years at least we have been having problems here in the usa with nurse retention??? why don't our own nurses stay in the profession??? what drives them away and out??? why do are our hospitals allowed to treaat nurses shamelessly. enforcing mandatory overtime if there aren't laws to prevent it, constantly eroding working conditions, reducing benefits, attempting to break union, etc. etc.
  13. by   Rep
    Quote from lee1
    Yes, it would be nice for those nurses who have left their own brain drained countries to return and help their own citizens
    Easy for you to say, what if we go back to our own country and there is no job waiting for us there? No way, I will stay where I am wanted.
    Last edit by Rep on Sep 9, '06

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