Foreign nurses face the axe in Britain - page 2

london: new rules designed to safeguard jobs for british trainee nurses could mean that thousands of foreign nurses already employed here are forced out of work. with as many as 80 per cent of... Read More

  1. by   StNeotser
    Quote from traumaRUs
    In the US - yes, there is an acute nursing shortage. However, in other parts of the world, including the UK it seems, there are too many nurses and not enough jobs.

    Does that help to clarify?
    This is where alarm bells ought to be ringing. As long ago as oh, only last year I was still reading reports in the UK press about the "nursing shortage"
  2. by   traumaRUs
    When did the UK nurses start coming overseas then? I thought that had gone on for several years now? Can someone clarify for me? THanks.
  3. by   tomskm
    Quote from lee1
    Yes, it would be nice for those nurses who have left their own brain drained countries to return and help their own citizens
    What would you do if you were 'short of money and wealth', if you were underpaid and not valued for the work you do, would you leave your hospital / country and go to a place that has more to offer you or would you hang around and help those around you grow richer and continue to take crap every day?

    When it comes to 'putting food on the table' and 'getting our offspring a decent / better living' - yes we will move....:wink2:
  4. by   tomskm
    [quote=celeste7767]At least the UK is protecting the future for its OWN CITIZENS, which is more than I can say for our country which would rather IMPORT foreign nurses to keep the salaries of nurses where they are and to allow the abuses to continue, (i.e. mandatory overtime. etc). The US federal government would be smart to take a lesson from the UK and provide incentives to employers of nurses, nursing schools, etc. to attract more COMPETENT people into the profession rather than import whatever they can get, and to hec with quality. quote]

    Sad,.... but I presume COMPETENT people who sit and pass the 'RN exams' just like any other graduate are INCOMPETENT because of where they come from ....
  5. by   tomskm
    Quote from StNeotser
    This is where alarm bells ought to be ringing. As long ago as oh, only last year I was still reading reports in the UK press about the "nursing shortage"
    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...280322026.html

    http://www.nursingadvocacy.org/news/...nz_herald.html

    http://www.cmaj.ca/news/31_07_03.shtml

    Thats australia, new zealand, canada ..... there more evidence if you look....
  6. by   madwife2002
    Please note that foreign nurses who go to the UK and have fixed term contracts knew this when they took up employment. You will find that the majority of foreign nurses have perm contracts, so they will keep their jobs. Also did you not know that the UK is a stepping stone to the US so once they have been accepted by the USA they will not care about their jobs in the UK.
  7. by   tomskm
    Quote from madwife2002
    Please note that foreign nurses who go to the UK and have fixed term contracts knew this when they took up employment. You will find that the majority of foreign nurses have perm contracts, so they will keep their jobs. Also did you not know that the UK is a stepping stone to the US so once they have been accepted by the USA they will not care about their jobs in the UK.
    True in many ways, but why would someone who can sit and pass the US - RN exams bother with the round about process... are the systems more dilute / easy .. to get into the UK than it is to get into the US ??
  8. by   rochelleus
    I say bring them on! We have a nursing shortage and we need nurses. If we aren't going to fill them with local people I see no problem recruiting. You can't fuss about a 7:1 ration in one breath and then complain about recruiting MORE nurses to HELP in the other. Seems to me there is plenty of work to go round. If you need work come to NC, they will snap you up BEFORE you finish nursing school. The hospitals here are so desperate they are head hunting CNA's and funding thier nursing school.
  9. by   madwife2002
    Quote from tomskm
    True in many ways, but why would someone who can sit and pass the US - RN exams bother with the round about process... are the systems more dilute / easy .. to get into the UK than it is to get into the US ??
    It was, I dont know if it is now. The nurses from certain countries have to do what is called adaptation and do some retraining for 6 months and then they are allowed to work as RN's. Realistically it was very easy to get into the UK.

    I think they go to the UK for many reasons firstly at one time it was easy to get a job. In the UK if you are sick then you get paid time off to recover after working for 3 months. Foreign nurses would do per diam at other hospitals and then phone in sick for their own floor, which meant that they got paid for working in two places at the same time.
    I even knew one nurse who worked the night shift and then phoned in sick to her own floor for the morning shift-I know this because I was the person whom she phoned in sick to.
  10. by   kalayaan
    Sad,.... but I presume COMPETENT people who sit and pass the 'RN exams' just like any other graduate are INCOMPETENT because of where they come from ....[/quote]

    read a quote from the article:
    The college believes that the job shortage is only short term, and that without overseas nurses it will prove impossible to replace the 180,000 nurses due to retire over the next 10 years.
    "Our big concern is that we're going to stop overseas nurses coming over, then not be able to fill the spaces that will exist after this deficits crisis is finished with home-grown nurses," said the spokesman.


    ive read articles on how bad they treat nurses in the UK. im surprised they still have nurses.

    anyone who has a problem with migration should realize that countries would never have been formed without immigrants. if you think that nurses in the US should only be educated in the US, then be an advocate and convince your neighbors, your kids, your friends to become nurses.

    a time will come when each person will be a mix of 2 or more races.

    foreign nurses come bec of the need - a need to protect patient care and a need to secure a better future for them. works both ways.
  11. by   UnderpaidNurse
    Quote from rochelleus
    I say bring them on! We have a nursing shortage and we need nurses. If we aren't going to fill them with local people I see no problem recruiting. You can't fuss about a 7:1 ration in one breath and then complain about recruiting MORE nurses to HELP in the other. Seems to me there is plenty of work to go round. If you need work come to NC, they will snap you up BEFORE you finish nursing school. The hospitals here are so desperate they are head hunting CNA's and funding thier nursing school.
    Hi,
    I am excited at what you said, I just finished LPN school and sit for my boards this tuesday. Where is that you said that they snap people up and help pay for the RN school???
  12. by   tomskm
    Quote from madwife2002
    It was, I dont know if it is now. The nurses from certain countries have to do what is called adaptation and do some retraining for 6 months and then they are allowed to work as RN's. Realistically it was very easy to get into the UK.

    I think they go to the UK for many reasons firstly at one time it was easy to get a job. In the UK if you are sick then you get paid time off to recover after working for 3 months. Foreign nurses would do per diam at other hospitals and then phone in sick for their own floor, which meant that they got paid for working in two places at the same time.
    I even knew one nurse who worked the night shift and then phoned in sick to her own floor for the morning shift-I know this because I was the person whom she phoned in sick to.
    Yes I agree, from the Indian graduate' perspective, even if you work in top notch hospitals in India you would still need to do a 6 month retraining and if you work elsewhere out of India the retraining period is halved to 3 months,-- funny even when these hospitals are 5 star luxury hospitals with equipment not commonly seen in NHS hospitals and managed either directly or indirectly by the US / UK Military or other big agencies .....


    Re: the sick leave abuse.... I just wonder, is there a cap for the number of sick days you can have off in a year which I presume every employee is entitled to for whatever reasons?
  13. by   tomskm
    I do understand there can be a strong feeling of insecurity with this kind of migration ..... just one of the ways the world is moving now .... and we should adapt ...........
    Last edit by tomskm on Aug 31, '06

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