Fla. amputee gets rare second chance to sue docs - page 2

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Fla. Amputee Gets Rare Second Chance to Sue Docs - ABC News DAVIE, Fla. (AP) -- When the sharp pain shooting through Lisa Strong's back got worse, she thought it was another kidney stone and expected the discomfort to pass.... Read More


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    Since when can ER docs not admit or write orders?

    Did Kocic actually tell the patient's private doc that he had to get in there to see Lisa? Did Dr. Strong agree to come in? Kocic sounds incompetent.

    I really don't get the part about taking a month to diagnose.

    The whole thing sounds really shoddy, sloppy. And, as usual, we don't get all of our questions answered, so cannot really know who was right and who was wrong or figure out where the error(s) were actually made. The article says the patient didn't delay going to the ER. But, as I read it, she did. Of course, once she was there, she did not get proper care anyway! And if it was thought to be acute cholecystitis, she should have been given IV abx, too. Right?

    The losers? Always the patients. Of course, her jerk of a husband walked out on her. What ever happened to "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health"? Pity the poor children.

    She should be getting a billion bucks, I think.
    Last edit by Vito Andolini on May 31, '09
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    Quote from vito andolini
    since when can er docs not admit or write orders?

    did kocic actually tell the patient's private doc that he had to get in there to see lisa? did dr. strong agree to come in? kocic sounds incompetent.

    that seems odd to me, too. however er docs these days are family physicians playing "hospitalist" at the hospital where i live... since she had a specialist, he/she'd yield to that one, i believe. especially since she was admitted.

    i really don't get the part about taking a month to diagnose.

    the whole thing sounds really shoddy, sloppy. and, as usual, we don't get all of our questions answered, so cannot really know who was right and who was wrong or figure out where the error(s) were actually made. the jury seemed to think that, too.......the article says the patient didn't delay going to the er. but, as i read it, she did. how did you see that? i read that with a temperature of 106 and hx of kidney stones, she did go right in, but was kept in a waiting room for almost an hour......of course, once she was there, she did not get proper care anyway! and if it was thought to be acute cholecystitis, she should have been given iv abx, too. right?

    i didn't see where it said they thought she had cholecystitis......she said she thought she was having another kidney stone.

    the losers? always the patients. of course, her jerk of a husband walked out on her. what ever happened to "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health"? pity the poor children.

    she should be getting a billion bucks, i think.
    i agree that she should be awarded plenty for losing all 4 extremities! my thinking about marriages, is that the good ones get better when a crisis occurs, and the bad ones fall apart.
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    Every ER I have ever worked in, in 22 years the ER doctors technically cant admit patients. Yes the can write some basic orders after they talk to an attending and then that doctor has generally 24 hours then to see the patient.

    I will admit as shoddy as some ED charting is it would not be a stretch to say she received poor care even if she didn't. I just left a facility that switched 2 years ago to an EMR. I can say the difference is night and day. And its shoddy paperwork more often that shoddy care thats going to kill you in court. Not that i condone either one.
    Last edit by rjflyn on May 31, '09
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    It sounds to me like she was septic when she walked in the door. Surely they started ABX regardless of the cause? The damage was already started by then- adults don't just walk around with a temp of 106. We need to know more about the care that occured after whe walked into the ER. There are too many unanswered questions. If she was not immediately treated for the sepsis then she deserves millions for malpractice. The diagnosis of cause could be expected to take some time- hers took 16 hours. My kidney stone took about 6 hours to diagnose, only because I went to a small hospital where I did not have to wait 10 hours just to be seen. The insurance Dr. treated her sight unseen- this to me is extremely risky practice. A Dr. on call should have seen here if her own physician couldn't.
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    Quote from cxg174
    It sounds to me like she was septic when she walked in the door. Surely they started ABX regardless of the cause? The damage was already started by then- adults don't just walk around with a temp of 106. We need to know more about the care that occured after whe walked into the ER. There are too many unanswered questions. If she was not immediately treated for the sepsis then she deserves millions for malpractice. The diagnosis of cause could be expected to take some time- hers took 16 hours. My kidney stone took about 6 hours to diagnose, only because I went to a small hospital where I did not have to wait 10 hours just to be seen. The insurance Dr. treated her sight unseen- this to me is extremely risky practice. A Dr. on call should have seen here if her own physician couldn't.
    It is hard to talk specifically without actually seeing the chart. I agree adults don't walk in with 106 temps. Most certainly all the ED docs I know would have given a pt with a temp that high antibiotics. Like someone else said something we don't see lead the initial jury to rule against this lady.

    To bad there isn't a link to some of the legal filings/discovery, that would provide more insight and opportunity for us to learn.
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    Quote from Vito Andolini
    The losers? Always the patients. Of course, her jerk of a husband walked out on her. What ever happened to "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health"? Pity the poor children.

    She should be getting a billion bucks, I think.
    How do you know they got divorced because of this? Maybe they were going to split up anyway, or any number of other reasons.

    I also saw that they share custody of the kids, and you don't see that in a "walked out on his sick wife" thing.
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    Quote from rph3664
    How do you know they got divorced because of this? Maybe they were going to split up anyway, or any number of other reasons.

    I also saw that they share custody of the kids, and you don't see that in a "walked out on his sick wife" thing.
    For over 25 years, lawyers have encouraged "shared" custody, to keep dad in the picture and up to date on support payments. It's just "the way it is", and wouldn't reflect one way or the other in regard to illness.

    Sometimes it complicates the care of children, such as unwise practises in regard to visitation. I had that when my ex got too drunk, along with his live-in girlfriend to drive our 10 year old son home, had dinner later than he was supposed to get him home, and I had to drive over 75 miles (round trip) to get him myself at 10:30 PM on a school night. Yet we had "shared custody".
    Last edit by lamazeteacher on Jun 1, '09 : Reason: typo corrected, addition
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    I dont know if anyone else followed the link to her website, theres just a few more tidbits of info kinda:

    http://www.lisastrong.org/Lisas_story.html
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    Quote from lamazeteacher
    One of those doctors was from the patient's insurance company that was probably contacted to see if they'd cover the test to find the kidney stone (?IVP). They all don't deserve to be allowed to practise medicine any longer - a month to diagnose an infection? I don't think so!! The Infection Control nurse at that hospital should have been on top of this case in a few days IF NURSES REPORTED SUCH SITUATIONS TO HIM/HER!!!!

    That's how insurance companies control medical care. We need them "deep six'd"!!!! I'm sure universal health care would have provided better care than this. No wonder Canadians who are winter-time Floridians, were rescued by Air Canada flight lifts when they became ill. It was too expensive, so now Canadians get special insurance policies for health care in the USA, before leaving Canada.....
    Lets not go there, I have seen Canadian pts in FL who we would cath with 100% certainty get flown back to Canada, and literally discharged home off the plane. They get told your not actively having a heart attack your cath can wait like everyone else.


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