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| No. 80 |
Nov 03, 2009, 04:55 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster
Unless you're looking to go to a school with only a few graduates, you don't mean attrition rate.
1. a reduction or decrease in numbers, size, or strength: Our club has had a high rate of attrition because so many members have moved away.
2. a wearing down or weakening of resistance, esp. as a result of continuous pressure or harassment: The enemy surrounded the town and conducted a war of attrition.
3. a gradual reduction in work force without firing of personnel, as when workers resign or retire and are not replaced.
4. the act of rubbing against something; friction.
5. a wearing down or away by friction; abrasion
Did you mean matriculation?
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Nov 03, 2009, 06:45 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster
Sorry, yes, I meant matriculation. Brain is fuzzy today.
I heard that a nursing school in my area (Dallas) has a low matriculation for their nursing students. Apparently, they accept everyone who applies, take their money for the first semester, and fail out a large percentage of them. I won't name the school, though. But some could probably guess which one I am talking about. I wanted to apply to that school until I found out the truth.
| | No. 82 |
Nov 03, 2009, 09:25 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster Originally Posted by Lendytaylor10 Sorry, yes, I meant matriculation. Brain is fuzzy today.
I heard that a nursing school in my area (Dallas) has a low matriculation for their nursing students. Apparently, they accept everyone who applies, take their money for the first semester, and fail out a large percentage of them. I won't name the school, though. But some could probably guess which one I am talking about. I wanted to apply to that school until I found out the truth.
Sounds like they have very high rates of matriculation followed by very high rates of attrition.
Shameful behavior.
Are they accredited?
| | No. 83 |
Nov 03, 2009, 10:53 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster Originally Posted by ♪♫ in my ♥ Absurd... even with your "exceptions to the rule" comment.
It's not a rule... it's a hackneyed cliche.
My two primary clinical instructors were both full-time nurses as well as clinical instructors and both were excellent... as nurses and as instructors.
I too have had excellent instructors HOWEVER...all of them kept their hand in real nursing, that is, they still worked as nurses. Per diem or part time in some cases but they still walked the walk, KWIM? The majority of the not so good instructors were always the ones who got into teaching because they couldn't hack it anymore, or were never good to begin with, or who liked power trips. Most were married and had hubbies bringing in a decent pay, so it didn't matter that they got paid peanuts.
There were benefits to working during school at the hospital where you did the majority of your clinicals.  ..the main one was you learned an awful lot about some of your instructors from people who had worked with them in the past. So you knew who was a dingbat, who hated non-traditional students and who was racist/sexist. And sadly, there were a few racist/sexist ones in there. You knew which ones you couldn't trust, because they were not competent nurses when they were practicing. (40 years ago)
I actually believe that a current nursing license and an MSN is not enough to teach..I believe that teaching shouldn't be your only gig. You should have to work at least one shift a week as a practicing RN.
| | No. 84 |
Nov 04, 2009, 01:04 AM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster
Back on topic- I can understand how they could have had so little prior warning of poor grades if the program is truely only 1 year. With that short a program if you have one bad test you could be in a position of failing! By the time the students met with the instructor and established a plan for improvement, the rest of the class would have graduated. I'm not saying I agree with it- it would just be like saying to someone in front of a speeding train- "Hey! lookout!"- It's not going to be in time to make much of a difference. What I don't understand is the reluctance to share the actual grades on the test with the students. If they failed- there isn't much argument- they failed. I'll bet in the student handbook it says GPA< bla-bla-bla is grounds for dismissal. If they passed- then the school "has a whole lot of splainning to do" as to why they are kicking these students out. I'll be watching to see how this comes out.
| | No. 85 |
Nov 04, 2009, 05:07 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster
Nursing schools can pretty much do whatever they want, from what I've learned. My own B.S.N. program has policies that deny you the right to review your final exams, have high school grading system [93-100 = A's] even though we are a University, and we're required to pass all final exams with nothing less than a 78 [Which doesn't sound that hard, until you see the exams].
And if the higher ups feel that you are a "trouble maker", you won't stay long. They will find something to remove you for.
All so that their NCLEX passage rates will improve.
| | No. 86 |
Nov 05, 2009, 12:05 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster Originally Posted by SquirrelRN71 I too have had excellent instructors HOWEVER...all of them kept their hand in real nursing, that is, they still worked as nurses. Per diem or part time in some cases but they still walked the walk, KWIM? The majority of the not so good instructors were always the ones who got into teaching because they couldn't hack it anymore, or were never good to begin with, or who liked power trips. Most were married and had hubbies bringing in a decent pay, so it didn't matter that they got paid peanuts.
There were benefits to working during school at the hospital where you did the majority of your clinicals.  ..the main one was you learned an awful lot about some of your instructors from people who had worked with them in the past. So you knew who was a dingbat, who hated non-traditional students and who was racist/sexist. And sadly, there were a few racist/sexist ones in there. You knew which ones you couldn't trust, because they were not competent nurses when they were practicing. (40 years ago)
I actually believe that a current nursing license and an MSN is not enough to teach..I believe that teaching shouldn't be your only gig. You should have to work at least one shift a week as a practicing RN.
If any of these instructors are board certified as NP's, then they don't have a choice but work in their specialty. We have to work a minimum of 1,000 hrs per every 5 years in order to maintain our license. I believe that comes out to only about 20 hrs a month, but at least that's something. Frankly, I just assumed that all RN's had to work in order to maintain their license...maybe not.
| | No. 87 |
Nov 05, 2009, 12:07 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster Originally Posted by prettybeamy Nursing schools can pretty much do whatever they want, from what I've learned. My own B.S.N. program has policies that deny you the right to review your final exams, have high school grading system [93-100 = A's] even though we are a University, and we're required to pass all final exams with nothing less than a 78 [Which doesn't sound that hard, until you see the exams].
And if the higher ups feel that you are a "trouble maker", you won't stay long. They will find something to remove you for.
All so that their NCLEX passage rates will improve.
I don't see how it's legal for a school to deny you the right to review your final exams. This just doesn't make sense. I suspect if someone challenged them in court, this rule would change.
| | No. 88 |
Nov 05, 2009, 12:51 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster
The rule of not reviewing the final exam is probably posted in the nursing student handbook for each school. It is listed in ours under the testing and grading protocols. We were told from the beginning of class in the first semester that review of both the midterm and final were non-negotiable, but we could review unit exam up to 2 weeks after the date it was given. We do still try to persuade the instructors to change the rule, but we know that they will not. The point is that we were told at the beginning and were given the handbook for review.
To any current nursing students: review your nursing student handbook. You will be able to verify policies if you think that something in the department is against policy. If so, take the concern to the teacher or department chair. It is also good to review what is expected of the nursing student. We were encouraged by our teachers to review the new expectations of a second year nursing student when we entered our 4th semester.
| | No. 89 |
Nov 05, 2009, 02:32 PM
Re: Five sue over nursing-school ouster Originally Posted by joneskd The rule of not reviewing the final exam is probably posted in the nursing student handbook for each school. It is listed in ours under the testing and grading protocols. We were told from the beginning of class in the first semester that review of both the midterm and final were non-negotiable, but we could review unit exam up to 2 weeks after the date it was given. We do still try to persuade the instructors to change the rule, but we know that they will not. The point is that we were told at the beginning and were given the handbook for review.
To any current nursing students: review your nursing student handbook. You will be able to verify policies if you think that something in the department is against policy. If so, take the concern to the teacher or department chair. It is also good to review what is expected of the nursing student. We were encouraged by our teachers to review the new expectations of a second year nursing student when we entered our 4th semester.
So, a student could pass the final exam with flying colors, but they could be told they failed if the professor didn't want them to pass the class.
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