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No. 50
Old Oct 31, 2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayrman View Post
I was told this story by a nurse who'd graduated from Iowa before later becoming a travel nurse and ending up here in AZ.

There was an instructor at an eastern Iowa school who bragged that if you could find the answer to one of her test questions in any reference she wasn't doing her job.

Apparently she thought her job was to make things as tough as possible, in order to prepare her students for "the real world." Later she was fired and lost her license after turning off drips in an ICU rotation to see if the students caught them during their assessments, and then forgetting to turn them back on after they failed to notice them.

I have seen only 2 types of instructors in my time in nursing school: those who seriously mentor and aid their students, and those who play favorites while trying to make things difficult for the ones who don't meet their personal criteria. I would be hard pressed to name any who fell in between.

Ayrman
I am truly glad this instructor was fired and lost her license. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

Yes, I've run across instructors who wanted to play stupid games with their students. Its just not worth it. And turning off drips in an ICU? That's playing with other peoples' lives. THE GAMES ARE NOT WORTH IT.
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No. 51
Old Oct 31, 2009, 12:36 PM

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Reading things like this I am very grateful for my program and teachers, granted I am only in my first semester, but thus far I feel I have wonderful and supportive teachers. I was worried because I heard bad things but it hasn't been my experience so far.
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No. 52
Old Oct 31, 2009, 11:16 PM

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I don't see how they can "fail people" or "kick them out" if the students have passing grades...I understand that some students do well in the class room but fail to shine in clinical...if in fact the clinical instructor feels that the student is not up to par in the clinical setting, or are even dangerous then it should not be that one instructors decision alone to fail the student all together; but a committee to discuss possible solutions...they are making such a big difference in ANOTHER person's life; and not before the student is approached; but long before issues get worst. In some situations some students need a little help and small corrects make world of a difference...failing or getting kicked out of a nursing program is not like failing any other college course...failing nursing ruins your career...although I do not believe everyone that wants to get into nursing school, or is in nursing school should be a nurse, but I think everyone should get a fighting chance...I understand the concept of TEAS testing since without passing the NCLEX what is the point? But sounds like some programs are LOOKING for reasons to kick students out, but why? To keep their tuition and then find some other sucker? No of the schools I have read in these threads are anything like my school was; and thank god!
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No. 53
from stepcmpb
Old Nov 01, 2009, 10:49 AM

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I'm so glad they are suing them! If I had the money and resources I would have done the same thing. They did that to sooo many people at my school. I hope they get what they deserve!
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No. 54
from blueheaven
Old Nov 01, 2009, 10:50 AM
Updated Nov 03, 2009 at 05:24 PM by donsterRN

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We had a instructor like that. She actually had a **** list every year of students that she thought would not be good "nursing material". I was on it #1. My life was hell my senior year. I did not know until the day BEFORE graduation if they were going to let me. Ironically, she was my critical care instructor and in spite of her-that is where I work! :PPP
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No. 55
from ANPFNPGNP
Old Nov 01, 2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hope3456 View Post
I had a clinical instructor who was proud of herself for 'weeding someone out' from each of her clinical rotations. She bragged about it.
There's a name of someone like this and it rhymes with "witch."
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No. 56
from ANPFNPGNP
Old Nov 01, 2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayrman View Post
I was told this story by a nurse who'd graduated from Iowa before later becoming a travel nurse and ending up here in AZ.

There was an instructor at an eastern Iowa school who bragged that if you could find the answer to one of her test questions in any reference she wasn't doing her job.

Apparently she thought her job was to make things as tough as possible, in order to prepare her students for "the real world." Later she was fired and lost her license after turning off drips in an ICU rotation to see if the students caught them during their assessments, and then forgetting to turn them back on after they failed to notice them.

I have seen only 2 types of instructors in my time in nursing school: those who seriously mentor and aid their students, and those who play favorites while trying to make things difficult for the ones who don't meet their personal criteria. I would be hard pressed to name any who fell in between.

Ayrman
I agree with you 100% and it makes me absolutely HATE nursing! I'm astounded that instructor would do something like that, thank GOD she lost her license! There must be a special place in hell for people like this.
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No. 57
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Old Nov 01, 2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace587RN View Post
i remember when my clinical instructor failed me for no reason, and ive heard before that she never liked men to begin and always failed men in her clinical prob after she had a divorce with her husband. She always reminded me her license is more important than her students and she could care less if we fail. i took it to the dean but nothing was done. I still graduated with my BSN and until this day that instructor still gets under my skin. Shes not even in good terms with her son who goes to the same university but a different major

Shes has had 3 years of nasty evaluations and she still has her job until this day. Unbelievable
I swear to God, these instructors should be forced to pass a psychological evaluation before being allowed to teach!
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No. 58
from nursenow
Old Nov 01, 2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by caliotter3 View Post
I met more than one nurse in the community who had the misfortune to have been failed out of nursing school by a certain instructor. This individual did, indeed, brag about her role at the school for weeding out students that were about to graduate. I found her to be a sadistic, sick individual and could see why she was not at the bedside. This is the same instructor who told me to steal needles and syringes. Anybody who brags about eliminating people who go on to be productive nurses after attending other nursing schools, has got something in their background that employers would not want. I mean really, steal needles and syringes?

Those that can do it - do it and those that can't - teach. As I think back to all the instructors I have seen/known I have found that is true to a certain point even in nursing. Even the ones' that claim to be passionate about teaching and helping the future nurses, always wanted to do it... didn't get into it until their age, weight or something else made it diffucult for them to be on the floor. The best instructor I had didn't get into it until her age/weight made it difficult to work. Teaching pays alot less than doing the real thing. I should save alot of people the effort of defending someone/their mentor.. by saying I know there are exceptions to everything including the "do it/teach" rule.

I had one instructor (a filipina) that pulled my filipino buddy aside and told him he shouldn't be asking questions in front of other people (in class)because it made Philippinos look stupid. I am glad to say she only lasted a couple months.
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No. 59
from caliotter3
Old Nov 01, 2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nursenow View Post
Those that can do it - do it and those that can't - teach. As I think back to all the instructors I have seen/known I have found that is true to a certain point even in nursing. Even the ones' that claim to be passionate about teaching and helping the future nurses, always wanted to do it... didn't get into it until their age, weight or something else made it diffucult for them to be on the floor. The best instructor I had didn't get into it until her age/weight made it difficult to work. Teaching pays alot less than doing the real thing. I should save alot of people the effort of defending someone/their mentor.. by saying I know there are exceptions to everything including the "do it/teach" rule.

I had one instructor (a filipina) that pulled my filipino buddy aside and told him he shouldn't be asking questions in front of other people (in class)because it made Philippinos look stupid. I am glad to say she only lasted a couple months.
I was in school with a Filipino guy who was the sweetest, most caring individual and already experienced in healthcare. During our last term his preceptor was a Filipina who failed him in clinical. I couldn't believe that she would do that to him instead of bending over backwards to help him out. When I commented about this to a Filipino supervisor at a future job, he told me the story about the crabs in the barrel. Personally, I have had to bend over backwards to get Filipinos to collaborate on nursing questions. They can't seem to be able to trust that I won't go running to the boss to talk about perceived shortcomings.
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