Employers Refusing To Hire Unemployed - page 3
Interesting article in today's NYT telling what some have already known for some time; employers seem to prefer hiring those whom are already employed versus the unemployed.... Read More
Jul 28, '11Quote from Esme12I don't want to be rude, friend. But I have to suggest that your and punctuation are not helping you if this is how you write, spell, and so on, you do not present yourself as someone I would hire. Please take this in the right way.Amen Sister!!!! The unemployment rates are false because they don't count those of us off the radar because we ran out of benefits.....we are now "UNEMPLOYABLE" The actual rates are actually MUCH higher. The cruelity I have experienced and witnessed is frightening. I have paid TONS of money into these entitlement programs for 32 years and they make it sound like you're a blood sucking leech!!!!!!!!!! Frankly I am sick of it all
Good luck to you in your job hunt.
Jul 28, '11Quote from Kooky KorkyWow, that comment sure came out of left field.I don't want to be rude, friend. But I have to suggest that yourand punctuation are not helping you if this is how you write, spell, and so on, you do not present yourself as someone I would hire. Please take this in the right way.
Good luck to you in your job hunt.
I have read many of Esme's comments over the years and always found them insightful, well-written and spot on. I don't see any obvious grammatical or spelling mistakes in her posts. She's definitely a nurse I'd hire if I had that power!
Jul 28, '11Quote from Kooky KorkyI don't want to be rude, friend. But I have to suggest that yourand punctuation are not helping you if this is how you write, spell, and so on, you do not present yourself as someone I would hire. Please take this in the right way.
Good luck to you in your job hunt.
And I don't want you to be embarassed by your intolerance ..... but I have a neuromusclar disorder similar to ALS and there are days I have difficulty with my hands and quite frankly get too tired to change them. When I was laid off from my position in education I was walking fine.......and I could not find work after being employed for 32 years straight with only 6 weeks off for childbirth....twice. No hospital wanted a 50 yo female with a dubious medial issue...including the oine I had worked for for 15 years. Disability laws are great and hospitals are better at getting around them.......may you stay healthy.
By your comment I am not sure you are a friend to me......and I have been hurt by many "friends" who "leaked my illness" so innocently to the powers that be.....
Originally Posted by Esme12
Amen Sister!!!! The unemployment rates are false because they don't count those of us off the radar because we ran out of benefits.....we are now "UNEMPLOYABLE" The actual rates are actually MUCH higher. The cruelity I have experienced and witnessed is frightening. I have paid TONS of money into these entitlement programs for 32 years and they make it sound like you're a blood sucking leech!!!!!!!!!! Frankly I am sick of it all.
I see no spelling issues here and frankly I will not dignify this with an answer nor will I tout my accolades to prove whether or not I am worthy of hire by you or anyone else for that matter. I find your comment judgemental and purposely hurtful.......for what purpose I have no idea.
But it is your opinion.....and everybody has one. You do know what they say about opinions.......
Jul 28, '11Quote from Jeanette73Wow, that comment sure came out of left field.
I have read many of Esme's comments over the years and always found them insightful, well-written and spot on. I don't see any obvious grammatical or mistakes in her posts. She's definitely a nurse I'd hire if I had that power!
Thank you.... That makes me feel good......and I needed that today....
Jul 29, '11Here's a news flash; you were rude.
Also if you were so concerned you could have sent her a pm ... perhaps a little bit more class next time.
Well, I guess we better notify the police and get your name on the list kooky ... (just to help you out of course) .
Jul 29, '11Get an agency job quick! I know in the past that AGENCY was a deathnell for some, but if you are at least on the roster at an agency, even if you haven't accepted assignments, it is helpful. I know I took a six month break and was concerned about the competition. At least with an agency, you are prescreened, have taken tests and can probably submit all of your preemployment paperwork you aquired through the agency.
It seems that alot of hospitals in my area have a preference for new grads (chicago) because they are cheap and they don't have to pay them sign on bonuses. When I was hired by one hospital, I was only one of two experienced nurses out of 10 who got hired. They paid the new grads nothing and placed them in the "float pool" so they wouldn't have to pay benifits. It worked out well for me, but not for the new grads, who were worried about getting out of float and into a full time position. I didn't mind being registry because my experience put me on a whole different level than the new grads.
Yet at another hospital, I got a part time position and was pretty much cemented in this position, while the new grads were given the flexiblity to apply to other departments during their orientation. Sure I got the sign-on bonus, which was nothing compared to the heydays.
Yes, it is true, having another job, albeit part time or less than part time, at least assures the employer that you are hireable. Even if you have to work as a CNA with your RN license, it will at least give you credibility. Volunteering, especially at community clinics helps too. Or go back to your school and seek an internship. You will often get hired from whatever hospital you get your internship.
Many of my friends have graduated and gone the SNF route just to have some work under their belt while they apply for hospital jobs. Not to dis SNF, but it is not an ideal place for any nurse at any educational level, to begin their career. SNF is great for experienced RNs and LPNs who love the day to day interactions and can tell that something is wrong with Mrs. Jones just from the way she is holding her cup. God bless our talented SNF nurses. One of my heros in nursing is a SNF nurse who works 16 hours a day while maintaining a registry position in a hospital. I would want her as my nurse if I was ever sick. SNF are also a great place to get managerial experience. Nothing like listening to family members #$%^ and complain about the most trivial issues while you are trying to pass meds for 30 people. I can barely pass meds for 5 people on time, with their test and caveats.
Even if an agency wont hire you as an RN you might be able to do CNA work for them to pad your resume. I honestly don't know what employers are looking for but it seems to be related to that old paradox.
When you are single, you are desparate and single and noone wants anything to do with you. When you are in a relationship, you glow and suddenly, everyone wants to date you. It's that glow that I'm talking about.
Jul 30, '11Just read on my state's forum on AN: theMed/Surg float position in a big University Medical Center I applied to, interviewed for, had the nurse manager pick a fight with me over ACLS prototcol, hired a new grad into the position. The new grad was the poster and the thread was under the name of the medical center. Hiring a new grad into a float position in a univewrsity medical center that size?? What the hell next? Like I posted: they will interview us older nurses just to keep the feds/EEOC off their back and to humor us, but they will not hire us- TOP OF THE PAY SCALE. They would rather risk patient safety to save a buck. After all, it's not their family that's the patient- Oh is my nursing association going to get another letter form me. And so is the EEOC. That nurse manager needs to be brought before the Nursing Board on Monday- pronto, as soon as the office opens.
Oct 15, '12Wow that is really sad. I have also experienced some of this but not so extreme. I will never understand why nurses treat each other so ******. I really wish I never went to nursing school I feel like, so far, it has been the biggest mistake I have ever made. The worst part is everyone still thinks there is no shortage of nursing jobs and that I should be making a lot of money. There are times where I think I will have to run away from everyone I know and change my identity so no one ever finds out I went to nursing school.Last edit by Esme12 on Oct 15, '12 : Reason: TOS/profanity
Oct 15, '12Quote from senseiRNThat is my problem,not enough experience, but don't judge I really don't know what is going on and it really hurts when people blame you for not working.I thought the problem was hospitals preferred hiring experienced nurses over new grads so they don't have to spend money to train us? (I'm a new grad)
Oct 15, '12Quote from kcmylornThis is the best post I have read in this website thank you. I just wish I could get my family to read this. My kids are mad and my husband is ready to leave me because they all thought I was going to make good money once I graduated. I have only worked a total of 22 months since graduating in 2008. Nursing has ruined my life. I will soon be living in the woods with the other ladies.Hospitals don't want to hire new grads because of the cost involved in orienting them properly( note - I used the word properly) That same excuse/reasoning/mindset is why hospitals are not hiring nurses of a certain level of experience(nurses with 20 years of experience an up are on the hit list of this discrimination) They would have to pay that nurse for their years of experience=top of the payscale(which is different depending on which region you live in. Around the metro New York City/Phila area, nurses with 20,25,30 yrs experience, the payscale is approx $38-45/hr. There are experienced bedside hospital acutecare nurses in some NJ/NYC hospitals making $100,000/yr; not agency but staff)These are the areas there are NO jobs for the nurses with that much experience under their belts. The nurse with this much experience can throw out all the resumes they want, some hospitals will humor and entertain them with an interview just to keep the feds/EEOC off their backs but they do not get hired!! I know this from personal experience. I went on an interview for a large Urban university medical center for a full time float position(aposition which I am sure there were not alot of takers because it's floar) only for the Nurse Manager to do nothing but pick a fight with me through the entire interview- gave me situational standard ACLS critical decision making questions and tell me"that's wrong" I came home baffled and double checked my ACLS manual- I knew I didn't have these protocals wrong. I sent a letter of complaint to the State Nursing association with her name and the institutions name and a letter to the state unemplyment.
The accounts you read are not isolated insidents- they are happening all over. I started to read AARP- a similar article appeared. I did go to the unemployment office and file for unemployment. I looked around that room- it's not winno's and bumms. It our early 20 somethings( just out of schools) and our 50yrs and over. I am a very inquisative nurse- so I began ease dropping on converstions these 50somethings were having with the face to face interviewers and the ones having to call clam processors on the inhouse phones. I began striking up converstion with some- one woman had her MASTER's degree in teaching, there were 5-6 teachers, there were 4 of us nurses, one man was an chemical engineer from a major chemical corporation. These are not dumb, illiterate people. One woman was a statistician, another a bookkeeper, another- a law clerk. This was the summer of 2010.
The stamp" unemployable" has reached a very frightening realm- If this country feels people are washed up at 50- What kind of a public financial burden do they think is coming in the near future? What does that 50 yr old do for survival- I'm talking food, shelter. The PTB want to eliminate extended unemployment benefits, do away with social security, do away with medicare and medicaid- first by giving it a diry name as "entitlement program" to set the tone of the 30-49yrs old who are still working but not paying attention to the real reason those programs were founded or the whose paycheck contibution these programs have been supported by(those 50 something that these greed mongrals have just put out on the street). Then they throw out there for good measure because they feel this will gain them popularity and support for their greedy(maniacal) cause-- these 50 somethings have pre existing medical conditions that make their health insurance premiums too corporately expensive- so we had to terminate/layoff and must now keep unemployed. As far as the health benes go- the 50 somethings are not still requiring maternity coverage and infertility specialists/testing, weekly sperm and egg counts/genetics, invitro(that, as unpopular as it sounds, is extremely expensive, try listing those costs blow for blow). They go after the smokers- no jobs for smokers. Now what does that 50 something unemployed person do to eat and shelter-soup kitchens and homeless shelters, pitching tents, living in the area woods- there is plenty of these around my nice suburban neighborhood ( which is now a study in sociology compare and contrast."middle class poverty?") I see older mother's with their older school age kids coming out of these woods, walking along the busy 6 lane highway heading to the supermarket at noon time because the supermarket has an inexpensive cafeteria style hot food bar. These kids belong in school! What do they put for a residental address?? This supermarket is located in an affluent shopping center. One 50 something unemployed woman froze to death last winter in one of the tent cities in the woods. This used to be America people. This is the America of 2011. I saw this mother and kids on my way to pay my mortgage payment in that shopping center and tried to refinance my mortgage- I told these 30something young mortgage brokers in their Ralph Lauren white shirts and dress pants about this, they told me to stop my social injustice soapbox and worry about paying my mortgage. I called their Chicago headquarters,The Beneficical Mortgage Company, and made a formal complaint about them and their ignorant comment- I wanted my customer service rights evoked!!
The nursing profession seems to be hell bent on hiding their unemployment rates. They get rid of older nurses left and right- crazy reasons masquarading as ligitimate- short staffing units and watch the few bedside mice left run until something happens aka managment makes it happen- not a good fit, too slow, documentation not up to par, pick and harass some one into quiting w/ poor shift scheduling, time off denials, calling you in on your days off all the usual reindeer games.
My state was awarded $30million dollars by the RWJ Foundation to help finance the education of future nursing educators in their Masters and DNP programs to turn out nursing educators to teach the next generation of nurses- $50,000/yr in living expenses, plus tuition, books and a stipends. They want these nursing candidates to go to these programs full time- so they will get a $50,00 plus salary just to go to school- Are these people for real?? What about the ADN's, diploma RN's that cant get a job now adays because of a lack of a BSN?? Pretend they don't exist?? What about all the unemployed nurses now in 2011 This is sooo proposteous, it's a farse. Turn out more nurses to be unemployed?? These are the ones teaching critical thinking?? Their heads are up their backsides. I'll shut up now.
Oct 15, '12Quote from DoGoodThenGoThey don't want to hear it......I think they are afraid of the hospitals.I'm sorry but if that were me I would been on the six 0'clock news!
That RN needs to write a letter to whomever owns that facility and or each of the board members telling what woman did to her. I'd also contact the media for some bad PR. There is no excuse for such actions ever.
This is the best post I have read in this website thank you. I just wish I could get my family to read this. My kids are mad and my husband is ready to leave me because they all thought I was going to make good money once I graduated. I have only worked a total of 22 months since graduating in 2008. Nursing has ruined my life. I will soon be living in the woods with the other ladies.Last edit by Esme12 on Oct 15, '12