Doctor's reinstatement irks operating room nurses - page 2

Three dozen operating room nurses and technicians at Tri-City Medical Center said a board decision last week to reinstate an orthopedic surgeon will create an uneasy working environment that could... Read More

  1. by   fergus51
    No, it doesn't. But is this routine with you? Would 30 of your coworkers say you were verbally abusive with them routinely and consider it serious enough to follow it up with your superiors? This shows a pattern. That surgeon obviously can't control his temper, and that's what makes me think threats wouldn't be beyond him. That's very different that yelling once or twice while you were cooking or whatever.

    In my experience nurses and other healthcare workers will let a lot go rather than make waves when it comes to a doc's behaviour. When it gets bad enough to warrant a doctor being disciplined at all, it's probably pretty bad. I have never seen a nurse or anyone else make waves just for the sake of it, mainly because docs are not often reprimanded.

    You could be right, and he might not have threatenned someone because that's completely different than being abusive, but I just see it a little differently. I do think someone's character and behaviour does give you insight into what they may or may not do in other situations. I don't think they are so separate.
  2. by   Mistorri
    It seems there has always been a problem with doctors treating nurses and staff like dirt. They seem to forget that we are their extra arms in the patient care business. If it weren't for us they could not care for the patient loads they take on to make the big bucks for the fine cars and BIG houses. I have been yelled at and treated like trash by several doctors. All of it uncalled for. Those docs have reps for being real jerks! If they can't manage their stress level any better way than mistreating staff, they need to call it quits and get out of the profession.
  3. by   PA-C in Texas
    Quote from Mistorri
    It seems there has always been a problem with doctors treating nurses and staff like dirt. They seem to forget that we are their extra arms in the patient care business. If it weren't for us they could not care for the patient loads they take on to make the big bucks for the fine cars and BIG houses. I have been yelled at and treated like trash by several doctors. All of it uncalled for. Those docs have reps for being real jerks! If they can't manage their stress level any better way than mistreating staff, they need to call it quits and get out of the profession.
    That works both ways. On the medical side, nurses have a "rep" for being real b*****s, particularly toward each other.
  4. by   Mistorri
    Quote from PA-C in Texas
    That works both ways. On the medical side, nurses have a "rep" for being real b*****s, particularly toward each other.
    I certainly agree with that! I have met some nurses that have treated me like dirt also. It is as if they must prove themselves to be the best. They seem to feel if they can put you down, then they can be looked upon as a better nurse. You are so right about that. I know some nurses not only "eat their young", but also "devour their peers". I have worked with some who actually hate their job and have a life of misery at home and bring it to work. They then "download it" on their coworkers. Those with the "rep" are well-known. They just don't realize that others know them for what the are.
  5. by   bluesky
    Quote from PA-C in Texas
    That works both ways. On the medical side, nurses have a "rep" for being real b*****s, particularly toward each other.
    Sure. refute one generalization by perpetuating another, BRAVO!
  6. by   P_RN
    I've seen huge differences in how physicians behave in the OR compared to their behavior out on the floors and then in their offices. Some are like Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde with a terrible case of the uglies inbetween.

    I changed gyns solely because of the lewd comments my former doc made about a patient under anesthesia. I refused tow ork with him again.

    When I worked OR awhile ago, I had things thrown at me (never sharps though). I've been cursed, and a friend of mine was almost knocked out when a doctor got angry and was gesturing out with his arms. She happened to be walking behind him......

    Thirty years ago this was tolerated because we were only nurses. Today I'd have the police there in a heartbeat. The nurse that was hit has an assault charge against the doc. He was a former professional athlete.
  7. by   911fltrn
    He's lucky it wasnt me he waved a scapel at. In fact hes lucky i wasnt in the room for we would have had some serious problems if he acted towards any staff in a threatening manner. Dont mess with my coworkers/friends
  8. by   Mistorri
    Well, in the meantime, there are really nice doctors and nurses. People who come to work and "shine". They make others feel good just by being there. That makes a job easier all around. So I guess I just made another "generalization". LOL. Life in "general" is a "generalization".
  9. by   orrnlori
    When I was new in the OR, really green, an ortho doc threw a stapler at me. It missed me by about a foot. I was scared to death. I was the circulator and was a good 15 feet from him, no warning, no nothing, he threw it when it ran out of staples and began to scream. If this were to happen again, I would call the cops in a second. Thats assault, period.

    For the person who "yells" at people even while he's cooking, I suggest medical school, so you can abuse with the big boys. I also suggest counselling.
  10. by   gwlillith
    I remember my first couple days in ICU, the intensive care doc didn't want only me in the room...he prefers every nurse in the unit to jump when he walks in!! Well, he was so frustrated when it took awhile to put in the TLC, he finally drew a 20 cc syringe of blood from it and threw it at me, saying "here's your cultures, now send them!" I was so terrified, I did what he said.
    It's been about 8 years now, and there's still that discomfort when he walks in the unit! I, for one, do not jump when he screams....But I'll tell you, now..if he did that I would march my butt down to the chief of staff's office and file a formal complaint without hesitation!!!
    Can't understand why these physicians feel the need to treat us this way? Because they get away with it? and we let them??? Where is the line to be drawn??
  11. by   RN Rotten Nurse
    As a nurse with 15 years experience I can tell you the reasons docs (and nurses) yell and throw things at nurses is because they are feeling incompetent (and they probably are incompetent). For instance, the doc that was having difficulty putting in the TLC threw a 20ml syring full of blood at the nurse. Read that line (HE WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY PUTTING IN A TLC). He knew he was having difficulty and because of his narcissistic personality disorder he chose to take it out on someone so he could feel better about himself.
  12. by   gwlillith
    You sure hit the nail on the head....Rotten! To this day, it's even worse!!!! The only pleasure I get is fantasizing about the day he's a patient in the unit and I get to insert the foley!!!!
  13. by   suzanne4
    "Doctor, We don't have any Lidocaine jelly on this unit. And we are very low on our supply of lubricant------SORRY! "

    Wouldn't you love to be able to say that, as well as use a 20fr and no lubricant? Your little nurse angels will be there with you............... :angel2:

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