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Sep 22, 2009, 07:49 PM
 Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more Originally Posted by miwukman  If the people that give you your check don't want you to wear something then don't. As long as they are not telling you to do something illegal or unethical then comply. It is not a big deal.
A lot of people believe it is totally unethical to tell someone he or she may not wear a symbol of his or her religious beliefs.
It is a very, very big deal. This is America, which was founded as a Christian nation. Secularism is rampant now but our moorings, our foundations are Christian; Judeo-Christian, more specifically.
If the person knew the rules going in, she can't blame anyone. I'll bet the recruiter did not tell her that, though.
In a way, it seems unnecessary to make so much of it but someone has to stand up for Christianity.
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Sep 22, 2009, 10:01 PM
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Sep 23, 2009 at 09:54 AM by Moogie
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more Originally Posted by Vito Andolini A lot of people believe it is totally unethical to tell someone he or she may not wear a symbol of his or her religious beliefs.
It is a very, very big deal. This is America, which was founded as a Christian nation. Secularism is rampant now but our moorings, our foundations are Christian; Judeo-Christian, more specifically.
If the person knew the rules going in, she can't blame anyone. I'll bet the recruiter did not tell her that, though.
In a way, it seems unnecessary to make so much of it but someone has to stand up for Christianity. This happened in the UK, NOT in the United States.
I agree, it's imperative for nurses to stand up for their beliefs. But if policy states no necklaces, I don't care if someone is wearing a cross, a star of David, a pentagram, a crescent, an ankh, "bling", a cute "Mommy" pendant with the kids' birthstones or a Playboy bunny. A no necklace policy is not intended, as I see it, to deny anyone the right to personal expression. If an institution has such a policy, say, because there have been incidents of staff getting hurt because an aggressive patient has tried to choke other staff by grabbing necklaces, then that policy should be equally enforced. Otherwise, staff who feel so strongly about expressing their faith, their fondness of Hugh Hefner or ANYTHING should have to sign a waiver relieving the institution of any liability should the staff member be choked by his/her necklace.
Policies can and do change all the time. So I don't agree that the nurse recruiter should have told this nurse prior to employment about a policy that might not have even existed when she was hired.
BTW, I am a Christian and I have had to put up with sarcastic remarks and even discrimination because of my faith. I will defend to the end anyone's right to his/her beliefs and I believe strongly in religious freedom. However, common sense has to rule, especially in situations like this. I can see better ways to stand up for my faith than to get choked by an aggressive, combative patient----and yes, I have also been assaulted in a patient care setting, so I know what I'm talking about here.
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Sep 22, 2009, 10:02 PM
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more
"But the trust said the policy had nothing to do with the crucifix specifically, and was motivated by health and safety concerns about patients grabbing necklaces."
Thread over.
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Sep 22, 2009, 10:04 PM
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more
Thanks, Hypo. Would we even be having this discussion had the nurse been reassigned for refusing to remove her pentagram necklace?
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Sep 22, 2009, 10:06 PM
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more Originally Posted by Moogie Thanks, Hypo. Would we even be having this discussion had the nurse been reassigned for refusing to remove her pentagram necklace?
Probably.
Because it's newsworthy.
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Sep 22, 2009, 10:23 PM
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more Originally Posted by Vito Andolini It is a very, very big deal. This is America, which was founded as a Christian nation.
This is absurdly untrue.
It was founded as a free nation by a bunch of Christians and deists.
Not only do the political writings of the time influenced by enlightenment ideals back this up, it was explicitly stated in the Treaty of Tripoli.
Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously by the Senate and signed by President John Adams June 10th, 1797: Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Sorry to make such a big deal about it, but the pop legend revisionism infiltrating America irks me.
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Sep 23, 2009, 01:30 AM
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more Originally Posted by Vito Andolini A lot of people believe it is totally unethical to tell someone he or she may not wear a symbol of his or her religious beliefs.
It is a very, very big deal. This is America, which was founded as a Christian nation. Secularism is rampant now but our moorings, our foundations are Christian; Judeo-Christian, more specifically.
If the person knew the rules going in, she can't blame anyone. I'll bet the recruiter did not tell her that, though.
In a way, it seems unnecessary to make so much of it but someone has to stand up for Christianity.
Your claims of martyrdom are misguided. America was not founded as and is not now "a Christian nation" and the constitution specifically prohibits the government endorsement of any religion over another.
Yes, many of the founders of this country were Christian, but they were wise enough to know that the nation would never last if they built Christianity into the laws or principles governing the country. Before you say, "10 Commandments" please note that the vast majority of that list is specifically excluded from American laws and the remainder - basically "Don't kill or steal" were not invented as ethical principles by "Judeo-Christians."
This is not, as you say, "a very very big deal," it is a quite simple matter: You cannot wear a necklace. You cannot wear a Christian cross, a star of david, a pentagram, or pagan or wiccan symbols.
If you want to "stand up for Christianity", please do it honestly.
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Sep 23, 2009, 01:57 AM
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more
"Yes, many of the founders of this country were Christian, but they were wise enough to know that the nation would never last if they built Christianity into the laws or principles governing the country."
What about that one pesky little line about all men being "created" equal? That is as basic as you can get. What did they they mean if they werent refering to a (our)creator?
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Sep 23, 2009, 02:56 AM
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Sep 23, 2009 at 03:26 AM by hypocaffeinemia
Re: Christian nurse removed from frontline duty for wearing cross necklace Read more Originally Posted by nursenow "Yes, many of the founders of this country were Christian, but they were wise enough to know that the nation would never last if they built Christianity into the laws or principles governing the country."
What about that one pesky little line about all men being "created" equal? That is as basic as you can get. What did they they mean if they werent refering to a (our)creator?
"All men are created equal" is a line written in the Declaration of Independence.
A document authored by a certain Thomas Jefferson, a Unitarian deist who edited his own bible by removing all the supernatural and mythological aspects out of the gospels.
Of more important note: our government is chartered and defined not by the Declaration of Independence, but by the Constitution. A document that defined African-Americans as 3/5ths a person.
Created equal, indeed.
And, as an aside, the word "created" meant (and still does) "born" in the context it was used.
We were all created...by our parents.
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