Childhood diseases return as parents refuse vaccines - Page 12

I'm not sure I understand your point ozone. So have vaccinations been a bad idea throughout the years? Which diseases are worth vaccinating against and which are not?

It does make you wonder. Vaccines bypass our first line defenses, mucous membranes & the lymphatic system. What is the long term outcome of circumventing defenses our bodies have spent thousands of years developing?
Well, we don't know.

Take polio, when the vaccine was developed, microscopes weren't able to differentiate between viruses. We now know that there were several other pathogens in play which were, no doubt, causing paralysis at that time, aseptic meningitis, GBS, Epstein Barr, just to name a few. Though they were all lumped in as polio.

The vaccine industry has made some serious blunders in the past, yet are protected from all liability resulting from injury or death. The injured parties are relegated to vaccine court, where the rules of court don't apply. Government witnesses are allowed to present evidence in one case, stating this evidence proves there is no connection between the vaccine & the injury, then turn around & use the same testimony in another case citing it as proof of causation.

Someone is being protected here, but it ain't us.

My point in posting is to provoke thought, enlighten those who believe that vaccines are harmless & open a dialogue between professionals regarding any role we might, as patient advocates, make the process of protecting children from disease as well as preventing them from being chalked up as "an acceptable loss" for heard immunity.

Nothing is harmless. Everything has a risk. Okay, I get that message. Do I ever want to see a 3 week old baby with pertussis because mom and dad thought getting a booster for themselves was a bad idea? Nah, not so much. Not a big fan of the pharma companies but do realize there are good drugs out there. There are people who die from allergic reactions and serious side effects from drugs and vaccines. Doesn't mean there is not a beneficial side of pharma.

For Pete's sake, can we please stop with the "I'd rather have an autistic kid than a dead kid" remarks? That is so flippant and compassionless and is a dismissive of the hell on earth that my daughter lived through for years on end because doctors refused to help us.

http://www.alexneedshelp.com/video

Would you say something as horrible as "at least your child is still alive" to these parents? Would you tell them to just be grateful he'll never get the measles? I think if this were my child, I would PRAY for him to die. How the hell can you call that living?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykigd...eature=related

I would happily take a VPD over THAT nonstop hell for my child, thank you. At least a child who gets a VPD gets compassion from you folks instead of told that their child's suffering is perfectly acceptable.

I get the drift folks. In your eyes, I am nothing more than an angry, irresponsible parent who cannot accept that her screwed up genes gave her a defective child so I need someone to blame. But why are you so flippant and compassionless and make such horrible statements that trivialize the lousy quality of life that these children have?

By the way, if you hate us so much and think we don't deserve to be a part of society (my youngest is completely unvaxed and the other two are partially vaxed), why don't you build us an island to go live on then? I would happily load all my babies up, vaccine damaged one and the ones who are not, and move there with all my unvaxing friends who also have damaged older children who suffer from seizures and the like. In fact, in support groups we have fantasized about this - a utopian society all our own.

I don't think most individuals appreciate the advances which have been made in pathogen detection by the use of advanced micro-arrays.

As an example I pointed out the finding (in a previous post) made about a year ago of an unexpected pig circovirus found in the rotarix vaccine. The levels of this unexpected virus were more than ten times the level of the target virus for which the vaccine had been developed. While the decision to certify that virus as "safe" was in my opinion unconscionable, the fact remains that detection of the unexpected virus was made and its amount quantified with amazing accuracy.

I believe that scientific advances are proceeding at a rate which will allow us to ask and answer some very disturbing questions about vaccine safety.
The idea that there's "data" about which we should all agree, but that some of the biggest fights are over "interpretation" and the meaning of that data. For example, the finding of an unexpected pig virus in a vaccine at a rate ten times higher than that of the target virus is something which all parties seem to agree upon, yet it's glossed over & the vaccine remains on the shelf.

If the health care provider holding that syringe told you, the parent of a new born, about that virus, the one we know little of nothing about, that may be cancer causing, & so on...... being in concentration 10X that of the target virus....about to be injected into your baby, how would you respond?

A vaccine with this level of contamination would probably never receive initial approval. This finding begs the question, why do we allow an already approved vaccine to have this level of contamination, just because we've only recently developed the tools to test its composition? Even to the average person who doesn't think much about vaccine safety this reasoning is a little bit like saying you'll continue to allow your teenage son to drink and drive because he's done it before and he never got into an accident.

In the document Investigating Viruses in Cells Used to make Vaccines; and Evaluating the Potential Threat Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans. XMRV is prominently featured as a virus about which they are concerned. Please feel free to read the entire document at http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvac.../ucm127327.htm

For those of you who may be unfamiliar with the question of XMRV and autism, please allow me to give a brief recap. The xenotropic murine leukemia related virus (XMRV) was discovered in 2006 by scientists working for the University of California at San Francisco and the Cleveland Clinic.

The retrovirus was originally found in the tumors of men with an aggressive form of prostate cancer, in 2009 the virus was found in high numbers in people with chronic fatigue syndrome, and there have been some preliminary findings of its presence in children with autism.

Chronic fatigue syndrome & autism share many common clinical features including immune dysregulation, increased expression of pro-inflammatory cytokines and chemokines, mitochondrial abnormalities, and chronic active microbial infections. In my own investigations I've been surprised how many of the mothers of children with autism say they have either been formally diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, or believe they have subclinical indications of the disorder.

Onto the FDA release of July 24, 2011. After first describing the need for new vaccines and that the virus-based vaccines require the use of living cells for a substrate, there's this paragraph.

"In some cases the cell lines that are used might be tumorigenic, that it, they form tumors when injected into rodents. Some of these tumor-forming cell lines may contain cancer-causing viruses that are not actively reproducing. Such viruses are hard to detect using standard methods. These latent or "quiet" viruses pose a potential threat, since they might become active under vaccine manufacturing conditions. Therefore, to ensure the safety of vaccines, our laboratory is investigating ways to activate latent viruses in cell lines and to detect the activated viruses, as well as other unknown viruses, using new technologies. We are also trying to identify specific biological processes that reflect virus activity."

Translation for the average reader - Hey, the cell lines in which we grow the viruses we want in vaccines, may contain some viruses we don't want, as in the case of Rotarix & RotaTeq, including those which may cause cancer.

Further on in the article was this paragraph:

"Similarly, we are investigating the transmission and infectious processes of a new human retrovirus, xenotropuic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV). We are pursuing this work both in vitro ("test tube studies) as well as in the monkey model, in order to assess potential safety concerns in vaccine cell substrates and in blood products."

Translation - We're really worried about XMRV. We're so worried that we're going to test in both test tubes, and in monkeys (very expensive!) We are spending major dollars on this question.


The article ends with the following paragraph, which makes me think it's XMRV (XMRVs/HGRVs) that has the scientists at the FDA worried.

"Xentoropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) is a recently discovered human retrovirus that has been found in both chronic fatigue syndrome and prostate cancer patients. Although the findings need further confrimation, there is a potential safety concern regarding XMRV in cell substrates used in vaccines and in transmission by blood transfusion and blood products. We are developing sensitive detection assays for XMRV to evaluate cell substrates and investigate virus transmission by blood transfusion in a monkey model."


In the mean time, we are still going to inject your kid with it....ok?

I just adore people who site sources, yet have never taken a course in the subject. I believe before we read something from a website and twist what it has to say to fit our personal beliefs we should educate ourselves on the subject matter.

I encourage everyone who believes that viruses are bad and have not in fact helped humanity to take courses in immunology and virology.

There is a problem with the logic that somehow vaccines and autism are related and that problem is that NO STUDY HAS BEEN ABLE TO DUPLICATE THE ORIGINAL.
In science we follow the scientific method and if a study is done correctly the results should be duplicated and that has not been the case, yet we have people blindly believing that which has been proven false. That which has been forcibly retracted from the original journal and if I am not mistake the man was stripped of his medical license for unethical behavior.

While I agree that autism is a serious condition that has been a failure of modern medicine, vaccines are not the evil, instead they are saviors that help fight disease in an era of close human interaction that could lead to massive pandemics.

*off my soap box*

The study has been duplicated at Wake Forest.

Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus.

Last year, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.

'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus.

'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct. That study didn’t draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that’s the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1VAv5pJxf


Now that Wakefield has been hung out to dry, Dr. Walker is seeing the err of backing up this study.

"Walker says the new research does not support the connection, and he notes that the results have not even been published in a peer-reviewed journal. “Even if we showed association (between measles virus and bowel disease) and we published it in a peer-reviewed journal, the conclusion will be simply that there is measles virus in the gut of a large number of children who have regressive autism and bowel disease. End of story.

“We haven’t done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism or even causing bowel disease.”



Walker explains that exploring the causes of chronic bowel disease in autistic children is the major impetus for his research. “There are lots of viruses in the gut, and any one of them could be causing inflammation. If it truly is from a vaccine and this virus causes inflammation and a chronic bowel condition in some susceptible children, then that’s something that needs to be known.”

Which is exactly what Wakefield said...it need further investigation, and we all know how that turned out.

Poor Dr. Walker, he can see his lab being de-funded as we speak.....


The parents of the children in Wakefields study supported him throughout the GMC investigation and support him to this day. Their children got better under his care.

They have posted their story online,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id_AxZ3zHAc

You need to educate yourself about herd imunity. If vaccination rates fall below 95%, then herd imunity breaks down. Herd imunity is neccesary to protect those who cannot get vaccinated because of imunisuppresive conditions.

They can't produce any evidence that vaccines have been the cause behind autism or other issues that are blamed on them by some people/groups. If the evidence comes out, maybe vaccines can be changed, however, this is what I tell patients/parents when they bring up this concern.

"They can't prove one way or the other about these rumors, so it may or may not be the cause. Some people swear it is the cause, I personally have had all my vaccines and am fine, so I cannot say for sure either. I have personally seen children die miserable deaths from these vaccine-preventable diseases, and personally, if it were my child, I'd prefer them to be autistic than to die from suffocation when they get diptheria or paralyzed by polio, etc., etc." Just my 2 cents.