'Cannabis nurse' gives up license (Albany Democrat-Herald) - page 5

A local nurse and medicinal marijuana advocate fired last April by Samaritan Health Services for refusing to take a drug test has surrendered his nursing license rather than stop using pot. ... Read More

  1. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from RNsRWe
    My husband and I have had the discussion a number of times in which he asks me, when I refuse to accept marijuana use as "ok" (don't freak, he doesn't use, at least not since he was a teen!), WHY that is. Hypothetical discussions that arise from time to time. Frankly, I'm hard-pressed to figure it out myself. I usually have to go with "because it's illegal". Alcohol and tobacco products ARE legal, and have led to a helluva lot more wreckage on the human body in the form of accident and disease than marijuana ever has.

    I choose not to use tobacco products because I'm educated enough to know what they can do to my body. I choose to drink socially, in moderate amounts, because I know not only what it can do to my body if abused, but what it can cause me to do to others. And, I suppose I choose not to recreationally use marijuana NOT because I'm afraid of turning into a zombie, but because it's plain old illegal at this time.

    If it were to become legal, I might just find it a more appealing way to relax after an insane shift than a glass of chardonay!!

    The bottom line with this "Cannabis Nurse", though, is that he IS engaging in illegal activity, whether he agrees with it or not. He's NOT right for insisting he should be allowed to use it, and for refusing the drug test. The law is what the law is, and our BON's have laid out those rules in clear language. Don't like the law? Work to change it, but you have no right to break it anyway.

    Good post.

    steph
  2. by   Gromit
    Agreed. Its a very good post. Those who were arguing in favor of 'cannibis nurse' by claiming that it should be OK because he would use it 'responsibly' are engaging in a flawed argument -since he was already showing his irresponsible behavior by engaging in the illegal activity to begin with.
  3. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Gromit
    Agreed. Its a very good post. Those who were arguing in favor of 'cannibis nurse' by claiming that it should be OK because he would use it 'responsibly' are engaging in a flawed argument -since he was already showing his irresponsible behavior by engaging in the illegal activity to begin with.

    The only difference I would make in RnsRWe's post is that if pot became legal I still wouldn't use it.

    I ran into my druggie ex at our son's college graduation last weekend and he looks haggard, thin, old. He is two years younger than me. Still smoking pot. I just don't want to go "back there" ever ever again . . . married to a drug abuser.

    I do acknowledge that the illegality is what is keeping alot of folks from smoking it and that makes me happy because that means alot of folks obey the law.

    steph
  4. by   Gromit
    I can agree with that -that the law keeps a lot of folks from trying it. There are many who still ARE proud of having a clean record. For my part, I never had any desire to 'try' it. The first time I had any 'exposure' to it was in highschool, and I'm sure every highschool (or now middleschool if we are to believe the stories) has their 'burnout' crowd. I never saw the 'fun' or point in going through the day in a haze. Just never appealed to me. But by that same token, I never preached to them about their 'choices'.
    The only other drugs that had any obvious inroads in my school were steroids -and some of the football players and wrestlers 'shot up' to bulk up. I never had any desire to do THAT either. Anyway, THAT is another issue entirely, and no way would I ever associate the two. I guess my school was relatively benign by todays' standards.
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Gromit
    I can agree with that -that the law keeps a lot of folks from trying it. There are many who still ARE proud of having a clean record. For my part, I never had any desire to 'try' it. The first time I had any 'exposure' to it was in highschool, and I'm sure every highschool (or now middleschool if we are to believe the stories) has their 'burnout' crowd. I never saw the 'fun' or point in going through the day in a haze. Just never appealed to me. But by that same token, I never preached to them about their 'choices'.
    The only other drugs that had any obvious inroads in my school were steroids -and some of the football players and wrestlers 'shot up' to bulk up. I never had any desire to do THAT either. Anyway, THAT is another issue entirely, and no way would I ever associate the two. I guess my school was relatively benign by todays' standards.
    I graduated in 1975 - we had stoners who hung around the tennis courts and cowboys who hung around "Copenhagen Corner" . . . they would occasionally meet and fight it out . . . the cowboys kicking the stoners collective tush . . . .

    My own sis, two years younger than me, was a stoner. I was a shy, invisible, studious, serious (too serious) person and hated it when she would get stoned and play air guitar at our dances. . .

    I did try it in college - with the stoner former husband . . . . I never thought it was fun sitting around a room with a bunch of folks who are off in their own little worlds watching MTV.

    steph
  6. by   RNsRWe
    Quote from stevielynn
    The only difference I would make in RnsRWe's post is that if pot became legal I still wouldn't use it.

    I ran into my druggie ex at our son's college graduation last weekend and he looks haggard, thin, old. He is two years younger than me. Still smoking pot. I just don't want to go "back there" ever ever again . . . married to a drug abuser.

    I do acknowledge that the illegality is what is keeping alot of folks from smoking it and that makes me happy because that means alot of folks obey the law.

    steph
    Thanks for the compliments

    I do think, though, that there is a significant difference between using a substance and abusing a substance...and clearly your ex is an abuser of such. Most people I know drink alcohol in moderate amounts and are vibrant, healthy, well-adjusted people. Then there are those who abuse it and are quite the opposite. I imagine the same could be said of marijuana use, *IF* it were a legal indulgence.

    Some people will never use alcohol because of their experiences with those who abused the privilege. Same for marijuana. And for those who fear even moderate painkillers while hospitalized (because of experiences with drug abusing friends or relatives) I do my best to educate.
  7. by   Gromit
    I do as well. I'm no fan of pain, and very 'pro' pain-control.
  8. by   CHATSDALE
    i had such a difficult time getting off of 'regular' cigaretts that i wouldn't tempt myself with other stuff
    but i wonder about those who think that they are such quick thinkers when they are on pot..my ex thought that he could drive when he was drunk but somehow if you saw him driving you would be grabbing your phone to alert police
  9. by   VivaLasViejas
    I live and work in the same area as the "cannabis nurse", although we've never met. Here in Oregon, the attitude toward marijuana is relatively liberal.....unless of course you're dealing with the state BON, in which case you'd better toe the line or your career is toast.

    Now, I support legalizing marijuana, and indeed would probably still be smoking it myself if a) my lungs could handle it, and b) I didn't care about the nursing license I worked so hard to earn. When I had nothing to lose, the risks meant nothing; now it simply isn't worth the potential legal and financial consequences. I guess that's what happens when you grow up and realize that fighting the system from the outside isn't going to get you anything but a kick in the behind. :trout:
  10. by   Gromit
    Well, there is a time, a place and a proper method to fight. Just violating the law to show your behind is never the right way to get what you seek, or to 'right' a 'wrong'.
    I mean, honestly for my part, (and for most folks around here -and we are NOT in a 'liberal' area by any stretch of the imagination) most couldn't care less about what someone does in the privacy of their own home, or on their own time. My particular point of view, when I worked in EMS, was that I couldn't care less what drugs (legal or otherwise) people drank, snorted, ingested or shot-up. I just didn't want to have to pay for it. And be it alcohol or any other substance, the folks who abused it were rarely (very rarely) a productive member of society -which meant that all of us who punched a clock and paid taxes were paying THEIR way, as well as paying to patch 'em up. And I must admit that even now, as then, I have NO respect for them whatsoever. Now, as then, I will (and did) do my best to give them proper medical care to the absolute best of my ability -its what I do, and I take pride in what I do. I was proud to be a paramedic, and now I'm damn proud to be an RN.
    I love riding motorcycles -and have been on two wheels since the late 70s, though I never rode with my head up my posterior, doing wheelies and zipping in and out of traffic (threading the needle) -and I roll my eyes when one of these rocket-scientists ends up in my care. Often I'll joke with 'em, since we do have at least one thing in common -the bikes may be different, but they are still motorcycles .
  11. by   newbiern2006
    Quote from stevielynn
    Actually you make a very good point regarding drug testing. My dh and I have always thought the teachers at the local high school should volunteer to be drug tested in solidarity with the kids who have to be drug tested. It would make a great statement to the kids that the teachers are willing to stand up and be counted when it comes to not using illegal drugs.

    Grownups can look like such hypocrites . . this would be a great way to get through to the kids that you can live your life w/o altering your mind.

    steph
    Ah, but what makes you think the teacher's aren't altering their minds?:spin: I seem to remember more than a few who drank, even on the job; it stands to reason that the teachers of today, many of whom were the hippies of yesterday, still indulge in the occasional (or not so occasional) joint.
  12. by   mslpn210
    Just because someone smokes marijuana doesn't mean they will do other drugs. the statement "if you wanna legalize pot, why not meth" well POT and METH are way and entirely different in substance. Meth contains freakin toxic substances. There is NO comparison.

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