'Cannabis nurse' gives up license (Albany Democrat-Herald) - page 4

A local nurse and medicinal marijuana advocate fired last April by Samaritan Health Services for refusing to take a drug test has surrendered his nursing license rather than stop using pot. ... Read More

  1. by   Gromit
    You're also probably a fairly young person. Cherish the good memory and agile mind, the clarity of thought. Taking chemicals that purposely impair your mentation may be your way of relaxing, but I too question that if you are willing to cross this line, what will it take for you to justify another little line or two to cross? I mean you've clearly justified (to yourself) being able to cross this one, so whats another one?

    No we are not all cut with the same cookie cutter- if we were, I'd be justifying the same behavior and participate right along with you (no thanks, though) -and it almost seems like you're using your success (test ratings, whatever) as justification. I hope not. Thats a pretty slippery slope and the numbers are against that line of thought.
    Last edit by Gromit on Dec 13, '06
  2. by   EMTSNA
    Those are valid concerns.
    Sometimes things are done a certain way just because they have always been done that way.
    As far as marijuana, show me the evidence that it should be illegal. The government is not infallible and this issue is just one of many. It is like beating a dead horse, but look at ETOH and tobacco. How many nurses drink too much, is this more justifiable because the activity is legal? Yet a few glasses of wine on occasion for relaxation is acceptable.
    My thought is that it is my responsibility to make decisions based on what I feel is correct both in nursing and my private life.
    These decisions are based on ethics, evidence and preference.
    I don't always agree with the status quo. In nursing my primary responsibility is to do what is right for the patients. At times this can cause waves, as a student I have been put in the position where my ethics dictated respectful disagreement with practices that I have encountered. Nursing should be evidenced based, and there are areas of practice that have changed dramatically and will continue to change based on evidence.
    If I were your nurse I vow that I would provide compassionate and evidenced based nursing. I will not cut corners at the cost of patient care or safety, and I will not hesitate to advocate for you if there is any question of improper care.
    I am 27 and I have been down some dark paths. I feel that I have reached a healthy balance in my life. I am excited about nursing. If you knew me professionally, that is the side that you would see. Feel free to judge me based on my professional performance.
    Peace
  3. by   GardenDove
    There are a lot of nurses with substance abuse problems. It's a big problem. I don't know if a nurse who dabbles in illegal substances has a greater risk of taking pts' controlled substances for her own use or not. I know it would be very easy to do. I'd like to see more research into it.

    I think marijuana has been researched and found to impair memory. Probably occasional use isn't that harmful. It IS illegal, however.

    I have a good nurse friend who recently confided in me that she started smoking weed again. She's a surgical nurse at the moment. I don't know if it affects her performance or not. She always been on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds, and I wonder if those affect someone's performance.
  4. by   RNS for Unity
    First of all, we must remember that the medicinal marijuana was used to treat nausea, not pain. This actually has worked. Wouldn't all of you be rather curious to see how Canada, and the Netherlands manage legallized marijuana and hashish. The addiction and abuse usually becomes a problem with people who have a pre-dispostion to becoming addicted not simply recreational use as I'm sure this NURSE was probably doing. LIGHTEN UP!
  5. by   Aunt Bytes
    Yes, everyone should lighten up. We are trained to deliver evidenced-based nursing care. ALL the evidence I have found in my research has pointed me to the conclusion that cannabis is NOT harmful! Most of the responses on this post have been anecdotal, not evidence-based.

    Moderation, Moderation, Moderation. That's the key! Cannabis is not a drug, it is a plant. It is a centuries-old herbal remedy. That's all!

    And those who use it for other than honorable reasons are not the same in my book as those who use it for its many therapeutic properties.

    I just believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that responsible adults who choose to use this herbal remedy should be able to. Period. Just like St. John's Wort or Echinacea or Valerian Root or Saw Palmetto, or any other fill-in-the-blank-herb. I realize that this plant has been deemed to be "bad", but who made that decision and what evidence did they use?

    Why, in this country especially, is there a war on cannabis? Our prisons are full of people who's only "crime" was use or possession of this plant. Even in Alabama, a very conservative state, prison reform laws are loosening the sentencing standards for cannabis possession in an effort to "clean out" the prisons of otherwise non-violent people. If this is such a "bad" plant, why are our "leaders" suddenly deciding that these offenders don't belong in prison? Maybe they're just starting to realize that the people they have been so determined to put in prison aren't really a threat to society.

    Most of the time this is a victimless crime. I mean, who is the victim if someone is growing their own cannabis and using it for themselves? Where is the crime when there is no distribution of the cannabis they grew for their own use?

    Somebody please help me understand this!
  6. by   traumahawk99
    i'd simply like for someone to show me the floor of the hospital where they keep the marijuana abusing patients who have ruined their brains. as a nurse, i've seen more people ill from alcoholism and cigarettes than i can count. not to mention prescription drug abusers.

    i've still not been able to find my first marijuana abuser... can someone tell me if there is a secret floor they keep these criminals on? after all, the bush administration cannot be wrong. look at what they've done for us in iraq!
  7. by   Aunt Bytes
    Good luck with your search, man!

    I've never seen one either. Even in the ER in Hawaii! And the laws are much more lax there.

    Even the three respiratory therapists/ surfers/ "Dead heads" I lived with in Hawaii were successful, productive employees even thought they toked a little from time to time. And they never drank alcohol or used tobacco.

    I'm with the "Cannabis Nurse"! Change the drug-testing policies! And use evidence this time!

    Aren't we all taught from day one in nursing school to practice "evidence-based" practice? Yet this particular substance is not treated the same way! Why is that?
  8. by   Lizzy6
    Quote from traumahawk99
    i'd simply like for someone to show me the floor of the hospital where they keep the marijuana abusing patients who have ruined their brains. as a nurse, i've seen more people ill from alcoholism and cigarettes than i can count. not to mention prescription drug abusers.

    i've still not been able to find my first marijuana abuser... can someone tell me if there is a secret floor they keep these criminals on? after all, the bush administration cannot be wrong. look at what they've done for us in iraq!
    Right on!
  9. by   RNsRWe
    My husband and I have had the discussion a number of times in which he asks me, when I refuse to accept marijuana use as "ok" (don't freak, he doesn't use, at least not since he was a teen!), WHY that is. Hypothetical discussions that arise from time to time. Frankly, I'm hard-pressed to figure it out myself. I usually have to go with "because it's illegal". Alcohol and tobacco products ARE legal, and have led to a helluva lot more wreckage on the human body in the form of accident and disease than marijuana ever has.

    I choose not to use tobacco products because I'm educated enough to know what they can do to my body. I choose to drink socially, in moderate amounts, because I know not only what it can do to my body if abused, but what it can cause me to do to others. And, I suppose I choose not to recreationally use marijuana NOT because I'm afraid of turning into a zombie, but because it's plain old illegal at this time.

    If it were to become legal, I might just find it a more appealing way to relax after an insane shift than a glass of chardonay!!

    The bottom line with this "Cannabis Nurse", though, is that he IS engaging in illegal activity, whether he agrees with it or not. He's NOT right for insisting he should be allowed to use it, and for refusing the drug test. The law is what the law is, and our BON's have laid out those rules in clear language. Don't like the law? Work to change it, but you have no right to break it anyway.
  10. by   Gromit
    Quote from traumahawk99
    i'd simply like for someone to show me the floor of the hospital where they keep the marijuana abusing patients who have ruined their brains. as a nurse, i've seen more people ill from alcoholism and cigarettes than i can count. not to mention prescription drug abusers.

    i've still not been able to find my first marijuana abuser... can someone tell me if there is a secret floor they keep these criminals on? after all, the bush administration cannot be wrong. look at what they've done for us in iraq!
    What has the Bush administration got to do with it? Please, lets keep the silly politics out of this. Do you REALLY want this to de-evolve into a liberal/conservative democrat/republican board? I know I don't. Bush didn't make pot illegal, and he certainly isn't relevant here.
  11. by   GardenDove
    Heh, heh, I see an opening for a great one liner on the deletious effects of former marijuana usage on the decision making abilities of present day national leaders, but I'll restraint myself
  12. by   Lizzy6
    Quote from GardenDove
    Heh, heh, I see an opening for a great one liner on the deletious effects of former marijuana usage on the decision making abilities of present day national leaders, but I'll restraint myself
    Lol...I am giggling here too GardenDove, since I see the same one liner, but I am going to behave and not say anything.
  13. by   GardenDove
    Quote from Lizzy6
    Lol...I am giggling here too GardenDove, since I see the same one liner, but I am going to behave and not say anything.
    We are awfully good, aren't we?

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