'Cannabis nurse' gives up license (Albany Democrat-Herald) - page 3

A local nurse and medicinal marijuana advocate fired last April by Samaritan Health Services for refusing to take a drug test has surrendered his nursing license rather than stop using pot. ... Read More

  1. by   911fltrn
    I didnt name the movie. Perhaps you should watch it. As one commercial says "Shut your mouth and open your mind"

    Also Im far from being a "whacko".

    I am not a leftist and I am not anti-amercian.

    I am a former USMC Combat vet. I agree our country has problems. I would like to see change.
  2. by   Gromit
    'spose it wouldn't hurt to give it a view -but I avoid leftist-type movies that seem to 'blame America First' like the plague -that has NOTHING to do with an "open mind". I don't particularly care for the phrase since it is more often than not, used by those who want to try to justify their position -i.e. "if you don't agree with me, you must have a closed mind" sort of thing. However, I think we both see eye-to-eye.
    I'll take a look for it.
  3. by   Aunt Bytes
    Anyone who's brain hasn't finished developing (read adolescent here), should stay away from anything that alters mental capacity. Anything.

    It is our job as parents, not the government, to teach our kids about letting their brains develop naturally. Then when they are adults, they can experiment. At least then, they aren't permanently damaged!

    My problem here is that our government in their infinite wisdom is making a plant illegal. This is a plant, folks. God put this plant on this earth. Who does our government think they are?

    Also, since there have been medicinal uses discovered for cannabis, it shouldn't still be classed as a Class 1 substance. The very definition of what a Class 1 substance is shows that cannabis does not belong in this category.

    Cannabis has never been shown to cause disease. NEVER! Now, with that in mind....why isn't tobacco illegal? Alcohol? Both of these substances have been PROVEN to cause disease, yet they are widely available.

    And about drug testing.....THC shows up in your urine for anywhere between 14 and 30 days after use. THC in your urine does not mean you are impaired!!!! Maybe you were impaired on your cruise to Mexico last month, but you are not impaired today. Why does the hospital care about what you may or may not have done a month ago? If they use a blood test, they can determine how much THC is in your blood on that particular day. Wouldn't that be a better judge of who's impaired at work and who's not?

    Didn't mean to rant. Just my $0.02.

    By the way, I went to nursing school with a woman who used cannabis for its anti-inflammatory properties. She excelled in school. Class officer, also won the Excellence in Practice award at graduation.
  4. by   Gromit
    Yes, but for every exception there are many more who prove out the rule. I'm sure there are few of us who didn't know who the 'dopehead' crowd was in high school. The vast majority of THOSE didn't excel by any means of the word.
    Experimentation. Like its some kind of lab experiment (pardon my chuckle, please! ).
    But God put MANY things on this earth -many of them will kill you outright, or just cause cancer, major illness (whatever) -I mean, ANTHRAX is a naturally occurring substance (therefore, God put it there) but I don't recommend "experimenting" with it (grin) . He (or for the other crowd, she) put both 'good' and 'bad' things on this earth. I'm also one who, however, takes a rather disdainful attitude toward the government trying to save people from themselves, but in that respect the 'people' should take a long hard look at themselves as culprits. Many out there have shown a remarkable lack of common sense and created the very need for the 'cradle-to-grave' "protective" eye of the government. In EMS, we called those people "Darwin Subjects" because left to their own devices, they would eventually solve their own problem by an early demise -the problem is, they frequently took others with them, or caused strife (financial, physical or emotional). Now personally, call me uncaring, but I never really gave a rat about what some addict did to themselves -as far as I'm concerned, they did it to themselves. But it DID always bother me that their family would be made to suffer (or they would consume the resources of the public good to try to get better when they overdosed or did whatever they did to acquire their dope -criminally) only to revert to the previous behavior, and do it all over again. Darwin subjects.

    If the exceptions were the rule, then we would have far more top-graduates, and dopeheads wouldn't be a slur label, but one of praise.
    In any case, more to the point, if it were possible to make sure that the rest of us didn't have to pay the cost of those who chose to abuse substances (all of 'em -from etoh on out) I'd say to legalize it all, and let 'em do whatever they please -but thats hardly realistic.
    Last edit by Gromit on Dec 7, '06
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Gromit
    Yes, but for every exception there are many more who prove out the rule. I'm sure there are few of us who didn't know who the 'dopehead' crowd was in high school. The vast majority of THOSE didn't excel by any means of the word.
    Experimentation. Like its some kind of lab experiment (pardon my chuckle, please! ).
    But God put MANY things on this earth -many of them will kill you outright, or just cause cancer, major illness (whatever) -I mean, ANTHRAX is a naturally occurring substance (therefore, God put it there) but I don't recommend "experimenting" with it (grin) . He (or for the other crowd, she) put both 'good' and 'bad' things on this earth. I'm also one who, however, takes a rather disdainful attitude toward the government trying to save people from themselves, but in that respect the 'people' should take a long hard look at themselves as culprits. Many out there have shown a remarkable lack of common sense and created the very need for the 'cradle-to-grave' "protective" eye of the government. In EMS, we called those people "Darwin Subjects" because left to their own devices, they would eventually solve their own problem by an early demise -the problem is, they frequently took others with them, or caused strife (financial, physical or emotional). Now personally, call me uncaring, but I never really gave a rat about what some addict did to themselves -as far as I'm concerned, they did it to themselves. But it DID always bother me that their family would be made to suffer (or they would consume the resources of the public good to try to get better when they overdosed or did whatever they did to acquire their dope -criminally) only to revert to the previous behavior, and do it all over again. Darwin subjects.

    If the exceptions were the rule, then we would have far more top-graduates, and dopeheads wouldn't be a slur label, but one of praise.
    In any case, more to the point, if it were possible to make sure that the rest of us didn't have to pay the cost of those who chose to abuse substances (all of 'em -from etoh on out) I'd say to legalize it all, and let 'em do whatever they please -but thats hardly realistic.
    I was thinking along the same lines . .. . God put many things here on earth and not all are safe to consume. He also put cobras on earth but I wouldn't play with one. That is not a good argument.

    As to alcohol and cigarettes - those are already horses out of the barn and you can't go back. But in my mind, why add another substance to the list of legal substances that allow folks to abuse themselves and others? If pot, then why not meth?

    Regarding "dopehead" . . . yes, I agree that stories about people who smoke dope on a regular basis and still excel are the exception to the rule about potheads, dopeheads, stoners, etc.

    There are many good drugs available now for nausea - this is outlined with great detail on another "legalize pot" thread here on allnurses so I won't go into the nuts and bolts of it. I just truly believe, for the most part, most of the arguments for legalizing are so "potheads" can get their high legally. Not so they can stem nausea from chemo.

    I'm surrounded by drug addicts in my family so I'm probably jaded . . . . seen too many ugly things related to the use of drugs and the abuse of children. Not gonna change my mind.

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Dec 7, '06 : Reason: typo
  6. by   GardenDove
    I agree Gromit. About THC appearing in your urine for up to 30 days, that's because it affects your mentation adversly for that long, at least. When I smoked it, I was a space cadet, even when I wasn't stoned. It affects your memory and makes you more paranoid. I don't think people doing high level jobs that put people's lives at risk should be messing with pot.
  7. by   Gromit
    Well, my family has (thanfully) never had the drug addiction issue. Honestly, as diverse as my brothers and I are, I'm really not sure HOW we managed to avoid it in its entirety. But I'm not complaining!
    In Highschool, (and to a lesser degree, previous schools) we had the pot-head crowd. They were the 'burnouts' who skipped classes and smoked by the dumpster, or took 'cakewalk' courses and the bottom-rung classes just to pass (if they didn't drop out of school altogehter). They literally went through life in a haze. In sports (I played football and intercollegiate wrestling) we had a few who shot-up steroids. My dislike for needles alone were enough to insure I'd never go THAT route (grin. I still don't like needles -but I don't mind so much when I'm on the 'syringe side' of the needle -haha) of course, since I grew up on a farm, and spent my summers bailing hay, I was strong as an ox (but a little brighter)(and in fact far stronger than those taking the steroids) so I really was immune to the claims that steroids would help my strength, etc etc.
    During my 16 years with fire/rescue (ems) I knew quite a few who partook of everything from morphine to pot -and that constituted a small percentage of my fellow fire/medics and emts. However, we dealt with far more of 'em as patients -and not a business suit among them. MOST of those were teens or at least under 30, and most of those were best described as bottom-feeders (not exactly in enviable positions in life) and ranged from simple drugs to what we used to refer to as 'amateur chemist' concoctions (I guess you would call them 'experimentors' -I had a less enviable name for 'em -especially when they vomited in my rig, or were striking out in some hallucenogenic-indiced nightmare). We had our share of folks who used God-given natural substances such as angel-trumpets (a flower, which has natural atropine) as well as those who used some of Gods' spices like mushrooms. Some of 'em were very toxic, and you wouldn't envy those who made tea with 'em. Sorry, but I just don't believe in rewarding stupidity. I'm no fan of those who wish to use thinks like this.
    Do I drink? Socially, yes. from time to time I like a beer, or even some rum. I also enjoy a fine cigar once in a while. But they are legally obtained, and if I use 'em irresponsibly, I'll most certainly pay for it. I'm very fortunate that I don't have an addictive personality. I've had friends that did, and I pity them for their failure.
  8. by   Gromit
    Quote from GardenDove
    I agree Gromit. About THC appearing in your urine for up to 30 days, that's because it affects your mentation adversly for that long, at least. When I smoked it, I was a space cadet, even when I wasn't stoned. It affects your memory and makes you more paranoid. I don't think people doing high level jobs that put people's lives at risk should be messing with pot.
    My wife and her ex-husband were pot smokers as well. Not while I knew her (she had cleaned up, and he was a long-time ex by then). She has told me some stories (grin) -but one of the first things she did when we met was to check my background. She wanted to make sure that I didn't partake of that kind of activity (especially when after we were talking, she knew that I knew about so many of the habits and uses of various sundry substances found in the country (I did grow up on a farm, after all. And working emergency services in the rural areas will give you a pretty good education). I love her dearly, and in all honesty if I'd known that she had messed with such things, I'd never have gone out with her, so I count myself lucky now. The most she bothers with is maybe a wine cooler (and less than 1 per month at that!) and she loves to ride motorcycles as much as I do (grin).
  9. by   Aunt Bytes
    There is a huge difference between the "stoners" in high school and fully-grown adults. I do believe, as mentioned in my earlier post, that kids need to let their brains fully develop before they even think about trying alcohol, or any other substance that can affect your BRAIN. I know many adults who use cannabis and are successful, functioning members of society. But yes, kids should say "no" to drugs.

    And the point here is really being lost. Moderation in all things is key. "Adults" know how to do this. If you don't, then you don't qualify as an adult in my book. I have known many people who can't hold their liquor, but they do it anyway. In excess. That's when it becomes "bad". Thay's when seemingly "grown" people act like children. Excess should have negative consequences. But to make everything illegal just because some use it in excess......that reeks of control to me.

    And just because you mistakenly overdid it 2 weeks ago, do you think you should lose your job because of that? How many nurses do you know who drink on their days off? Probably a lot. But, when they show up for work, they are not impaired. Nor do they have any alcohol in their systems because of the different metabolism of the substance. All I'm saying is that the drug testing we do is not reliable enough to judge impairment.

    Another problem here is that my government is trying to make a plant disappear from the face of the earth. Put it on the endangered species list. When there are clearly beneficial effects of this herb for many of our patients. That seems wrong to me.

    And yes, while "magic mushrooms" are also a plant, anyone who does any research will see that this plant does not have any medicinal benefit. Why not put them in as a Class 1 substance and make them illegal as well? Livestock farmers would then have to monitor their fields, spraying fungicide everywhere and further poisoning our beef and milk supply. But no one is even trying to make this plant illegal. Why is that?

    What's the big deal with cannabis? Why is it being singled out by our government as "bad", when there are so many more substances out there that are killing people? I just don't get it.

    And please, do some research before you reply. I have.
  10. by   hogan4736
    Quote from Gromit
    ...and in all honesty if I'd known that she had messed with such things, I'd never have gone out with her, so I count myself lucky now.

    Interesting revelation...

    hmmm
  11. by   Gromit
    I'm honest if nothing else (grin). I make a conscious effort to NOT be associated with people who engage in activites that I myself wouldn't find acceptable. Many years ago, I drank like a fish, and hung out with others who did likewise. I cleaned myself up -and the best way to do that is to NOT associate with those who engage in the activity you wish to avoid. Now, this is not to say I don't have a drink from time to time (as I've said, I do on occassion -and have a liquor cabinet with various rums, wines and some whiskey. None of the bottles are less than a year old, and most are considderably older -as my point is being made, I rarely partake -which given the cost of a bottle of anything of any quality, its a good thing! )
    But I have no desire to hang out with or be associated with those who think its a good idea to fill their bodies with dope -injected, inhaled or otherwise. No thank you. One thing I love about my wife is that she feels comfortable enough to talk to me about that part of her past -and I feel comfortable in the knowledge that she has no intention whatsoever in engaging in that kind of behavior again. Her desire to get out of that lifestyle is what lead her to get divorced and distance herself from her X as well as the folks they hung out with.
  12. by   EMTSNA
    At the risk of incriminating myself on a public forum. I smoke marijuana occasionally, maybe once a month or so. I am about to start my last semester of nursing school and I am at the very top of my class. I scored in the 97th percentile on a national standardized critical thinking test that is being administered to nursing students.
    I am not saying that I'm all that, but I truly believe that even though it is illegal, MJ can be used responsibly by responsible individuals, nurses included. I am never impaired when I have patient contact. I have the memory of an elephant and I can think on my feet. I know several excellent nurses that partake on occasion who could take care of my mother any day. Just saying that not everyone fits the same cookie cutter, and that just because something is illegal does not necessarily make it a bad thing.
    Flame on
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    No flames - glad you are doing well.

    I just wonder if you are willing to cross the line regarding marijuana, what other lines will you cross?

    No one is perfect - all of us do things we shouldn't - going over the speed limit is one and it is also illegal.

    I guess, to me, using illegal drugs is in a special category.

    Can I trust you to be my nurse? Will you cut corners?

    Again - not flaming you at all. Just wondering . . .

    steph

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