Canada Fears Loss of Nurses To United States

helikias · Feb 07, 2010, 03:06 PM

I think it's great for anyone who is "not too fond of the US" to stay put in the country of which he or she is "most fond" and not come over here and take a job from an American who "is fond of the US". Just my two cent's worth.

kmcleod · Feb 07, 2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by oneLoneNurse

I want to go home after over twenty years, here, BUT can't seem to get a FT job in ON. I have been a nurse since 1984 and currently hold registration with the College of Nurses of ON. I have interviewed twice, once in Niagara and once in TO.

Ideally would like to live close to TO, but open to suggestions. Am enrolled in a BSN, but will finish in Spring of 2011 since I have to wait till then because of the courses I need after this semester (two).

I think part of my problem is not having a BSN, but wonder if another problem is not having Canadian experience.

Thoughts?

The issue is the BSN. Trust me. The ON gov't has been pushing higher education for some time. Hopefully you graduate soon.

**HM2VikingRN** · Feb 07, 2010, 04:39 PM

I am seriously considering living as an ex-pat north of the border after I qualify for my state retirement. I will have my NP by then and am truly interested in living and working in MB or ON.

Still love my country I just want the experience of living elsewhere for a few years...

Fiona59 · Feb 07, 2010, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by oneLoneNurse

I want to go home after over twenty years, here, BUT can't seem to get a FT job in ON. I have been a nurse since 1984 and currently hold registration with the College of Nurses of ON. I have interviewed twice, once in Niagara and once in TO.

Ideally would like to live close to TO, but open to suggestions. Am enrolled in a BSN, but will finish in Spring of 2011 since I have to wait till then because of the courses I need after this semester (two).

I think part of my problem is not having a BSN, but wonder if another problem is not having Canadian experience.

Thoughts?

Your problem isn't the lack of a BScN. Many "mature" nurses are without one. It's the lack of time in the Canadian system.

When full time jobs are hard to find, they usually go to part timers working in the system, it's called seniority. A part timer with three years in the system will get the full time job before an "outside" applicant is even looked at. The same goes for vacation. Prime time goes to those with seniority.

*tencat* · Feb 07, 2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by nurseinlimbo

Ample time off, really??? Not sure about that, have worked in Canada since I graduated in 2003 and have only had one 'holiday', with a fractured femur. Vacation time is very hard to get, and OT is a regular occurence.

Ok, I stand corrected. I was thinking it was 4-5 weeks a year off. Australia might be the country I was thinking of. Anywho, sorry for the misinformation.

Fiona59 · Feb 07, 2010, 07:44 PM

First year in most places is ten working days. It goes up in the second year of employment. Part timers earn a portion of that in direct ratio to the size of the position. Casual staff receive pay in lieu.

I find it very strange that someone who has been working seven years can't manage to get their vacation. You might not get the exact dates you want or the length of time off you want but you will be able to take some. If you don't take your vacation they can defer portions of it until the next year or they have to pay you out in cash which the powers that be are loathe to do. New staff just don't get "prime" vacation dates.

Morning-glory · Feb 08, 2010, 10:46 AM

I have lived and worked in Canada my whole life. Pay is good. Job is great. And I get 4 weeks vacation and 12 statutory days a year. Never had a problem getting my vacation when I wanted it. I've been a nurse at my facility for 5 years. I get $40/hour plus shift and charge differentials. I was hired straight into a full-time position. Why would I go anywhere else?

Yes, the pickings were slim when I graduated 11 years ago and I was stuck in a PT position and worked agency, but with a little persistance and a lot of networking, it finally pulled itself together. In 10 years, I will be in a position to have any job I want as there will be way more openings than nurses to fill the positions. I expect that there will be more flexibility in scheduling and number of shifts and nice bonuses to entice people to stay. This is a good time to be a nurse in Canada.

**janfrn** · Feb 08, 2010, 04:12 PM

Trying again...

This might add some perspective to this discussion: the Premier of Alberta vs Alberta's nursing students/grads

*canoehead* · Feb 08, 2010, 04:22 PM

This news article is a bit late, I think. I moved from Canada to the USA in 1997 and moved back last year. If Canada wants to retain nurses they should give them jobs. Anyone looking for a job should try the northeast of either country, there are lots of postings.

Orca · Feb 09, 2010, 11:38 AM

I am Canadian and I am not too fond of the US - or at least with their gun laws and healthcare system.

There are Americans who feel the same way.

I could live in Canada. My mother was from Newfoundland, a graduate of a hospital RN program, and I have visited the country a number of times. Handling the winters might be another kettle of fish, though.

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