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No. 20
Old Feb 21, 2009, 03:25 PM

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It sounds like there is a fine line between the laws with and without ratios. I would like to know if safe staffing is still a problem is states with mandated ratios, and how their rates of unsafe staffing compare to states like Oregon and Ohio. At my workplace, unsafe staffing is rare, but certainly it's not unheard of in the state of Oregon.
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No. 21
from herring_RN
Old Feb 21, 2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Teresag_CNS View Post
It sounds like there is a fine line between the laws with and without ratios. I would like to know if safe staffing is still a problem is states with mandated ratios, and how their rates of unsafe staffing compare to states like Oregon and Ohio. At my workplace, unsafe staffing is rare, but certainly it's not unheard of in the state of Oregon.
It seems that way.
In California we had mandatory staffing by acuity beginning in 1996.
It was WAY too subjective.

At least with a ratio there is a floor below which there is no argument.

Of course it is nor perfect.
Just as some people still run red lights some hospitals don't increase staffing for high acuity as they should. Or they don't plan for meal and break relief.

On units with understanding managers or where nurses insist on safe staffing it is VERY rare for there to be insufficient staff.

Before the ratios nurse managers were given budgets that mmade safe staffing impossible. It was not their decision.
Nursing care is the reason for people to be admitted to a hospital. Nursing needs to determine the nursing budget.

I would MUCH rather be cared for at a clean well staffed hospital without a fancy lobby.
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No. 22
from Julia RN
Old Feb 21, 2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Teresag_CNS View Post
I don't see why this is viewed by some as a move toward uniting nurses. The CNA and MNA are organizations that split from the American Nurses Association several years back. The UAN was rejected last year by many state affiliates of ANA over concerns about their leadership and guiding principles, acording to my state nurses' association (Oregon).

ANA provides professional services such as continuing education, certification and research funding in addition to collective bargaining. While there are parts of the new organization's goals that make a lot of sense, e.g., safe staffing, healthy work environments, these are values shared by ANA and most specialty nursing organizations. The CNA were actually rather hostile to the ANA and its state affiliates when I heard CNA representatives speak at a conference. I was not impressed.

I'll remain an ANA member because I value the services of an organized professional organization with a track record, not a labor union that is trying to divide the profession.
I think you may have answered your own question here- This union is reuniting entities that were once united under ANA as you have pointed out.

Maine and Pennsylvania had left ANA after California, subsequently joined the NNOC, and would also be included in this new national.

Shortly after the the end of the affiliation between ANA and the UAN, the UAN states of Minnesota, Michigan, Hawaii and the District of Columbia left ANA. They would be reunited under this new agreement as well along with the other UAN states that remain in the ANA.

IMO-The profession is divided, not by unions, but by nurses themselves, and staffing issues are a major part of that division.

Everytime a staff nurse goes to another nurse who is their supervisor saying, "I can't provide proper nursing care to the patients that I am assigned to and I feel this assignment is unsafe for my patients," and the supervising nurse responds in a way that questions the nurse's judgement (when that nurse's judgement is trusted every day by the same supervisor who puts patients in that nurse's care) or in the worst scenario, ignores the nurse's judgement completely we are divided further.

Did you know that ANA is suing states that recently left ANA- that your dues is financing this?

Did you know that your state nurses' association, Oregon, has created and affiliated with a different new national union along with the eight states that left the UAN in December 2007? That they already have a constitution and have appointed the executive officers? (They have apparently been working on this for the last year and a half)
http://allnurses.com/collective-barg...on-359567.html
http://nysna.org/publications/newyor...feb/voices.htm

Do you see these actions as divisive as well?
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No. 23
from Julia RN
Old Feb 22, 2009, 05:11 PM

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Sorry for the harsh tone in my last post, Teresag.

When you implied that it was nurses labor unions that were being divisive, it touched a nerve. I have been in the middle of the divisiveness from the ANA and my own state nurses' association for the past 2 years.

I'm sure you had nothing to do with those actions and I shouldn't have taken that out on you.

I do hope that other state nurses' associations, including my own, will also one day be reunitied nationally as both unions and professional organizations. What we need in order to realize that dream is an entirely new organization- so I am very hopeful about the news shared by the OP.
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No. 24
Old Feb 22, 2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy01 View Post
Ohio has passed legislation (HB346) as well that "mandates" staff nurses be on a committee regarding staffing. I believe this same piece of legislation is in many states...it happens to be the AHA and the ANA's response to ratios! Having this legislation on the books gives the appearance that hospitals will staff appropriately and we all know what the reality will be!


Here in Ohio the only requirements (for the "staffing" bill) are that 50% of the committee is made up of staff nurses...so that implies the other 50% is management, administration or maybe another discipline correct??
In Ohio it is only a recommendation that the committee be comprised of 50% direct care nurses- the law actually reads "should". Therefore, many hospitals in Ohio are not including ANY direct care nurses on these lame committees!

The ANA has been brainwashed by the AHA in thinking that nurses having a "seat at the table" is the right approach. A "seat at the table" doesn't do a thing if you don't have a voice at the table! It is time nurses have a voice in the form of safe staffing ratio's codified in the law with a legal right to act in the best interest of their patients - on the spot! (Not a year later at the next staffing committee meeting!!)
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No. 25
Old Feb 22, 2009, 09:05 PM
Updated Feb 22, 2009 at 09:12 PM by RN Power Ohio

Default Re: California RN union, two others join forces to form new 150K-member association
Originally Posted by Teresag_CNS View Post
It sounds like there is a fine line between the laws with and without ratios. I would like to know if safe staffing is still a problem is states with mandated ratios, and how their rates of unsafe staffing compare to states like Oregon and Ohio. At my workplace, unsafe staffing is rare, but certainly it's not unheard of in the state of Oregon.
Unsafe staffing is the norm NOT the exception in Ohio. It will not change because of a plan that is created. Basically, all the hospitals picked some nurse managers and a few "select" staff nurses to join this committee, handed them the staffing plan and said there you have it!

Many hospitals have not even adhered to the law and created the plan by it's deadline.

Several hospitals made nurses sign a confidentiality agreement saying they would not disclose the discussions that take place on the staffing committee (how's that for a voice) on what is supposed to be a publicly disclosed plan.

Nurses are routinely fired or targeted for firing if they voice concern about an assignment -even if they state they are not competent to accept it! A direct violation of our nursing practice act.

This is why nurses need protection. It should not be that nurses are made to practice unsafely and endanger their patients or risk losing their job. As long as this is happening to even one nurse in this country then we must work together collectively to stop it. I do not understand why legislating staffing protections, whistleblower protection and advocacy is not the priority of every single registered nurse in this nation!

If some one could clarify for me I would really appreciate it.
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No. 26
Old Feb 22, 2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RN Power Ohio View Post

This is why nurses need protection. It should not be that nurses are made to practice unsafely and endanger their patients or risk losing their job. As long as this is happening to even one nurse in this country then we must work together collectively to stop it. I do not understand why legislating staffing protections, whistleblower protection and advocacy is not the priority of every single registered nurse in this nation!

If some one could clarify for me I would really appreciate it.
Confusing and enough to keep a nurse awake at night, no doubt. But then again, why do nurses have to fight for enough nurses to do the work at all, when patients plainly suffer without us? Where did our employers ever get the idea that it's okay to let patients suffer? Do the hospitals think they're really saving money by letting patients go without baths, call lights unanswered, dressings unchanged, and so on? Do they walk the units and see nurses wasting time? I've personally said these words to a roomful of administrators: "I don't always turn people q2 hours, and it's not because I'm lazy. It's because I can't. You don't see nurses playing games online when you walk on the units, do you? We're always busy, doing our best." Yet they go on singing the same old song.

The whole situation boggles the mind.
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No. 27
Old Feb 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
Updated Feb 23, 2009 at 12:07 AM by RN Power Ohio

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We have to fight because it is our duty.
We have to fight because people are dying.
We have to fight because we are not being listened to.
We have to fight because we are viewed as an expense and our professional expertise is not valued.

We have to fight so that all can see that safety in nursing is more than a professional issue or a labor issue but rather a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. Only then can we make progress.

This is the message that UAN-NNOC brings to the table. This is the message that all nurses need to bring to the table and demand that it is heard.
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