California Nurses sue governor - page 4

Sacramento -- Two weeks after branding them "special interests" and bragging he can "kick their butt," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was sued Tuesday by California's largest nursing union as it moved to... Read More

  1. by   lpn2bee05
    [font=Comic Sans MS]This is really a huge step for nurses as far as bonding together and fighting for what is ethically right--patient safety and meaningful, quality, and holistic care. If we have no time to do all the charting, how are we ever going to find the time to ....well, hold a hand and listen?
    [font=Comic Sans MS]As a student--and truly in diapers/pull-ups as far as nursing is concerned :imbar --I feel that the CNA is fighting for me too--all the way here in NC. I got really emotional reading about Schwarzenegger's comments and the CNA's response. I think we do need far more press and publicity--because the average person has no idea about what is going on.
    [font=Comic Sans MS]I know it sounds silly, but someone call Oprah!
  2. by   lossforimagination
    Quote from TRichter
    I am not saying that I don't agree with the ratio law, I just don't understand what is to be done with the sick and injured that can't get into a bed, Here in California many hospitals are closing doors, especially to ER and trauma rooms. I don't thinki there is any easy fix to the problem.
    You can't blame nurses for poor management practices or the failure of "the system". The entire medical system in this country needs to be transformed; and nurses sure as hell aren't the cause of the problems. Unfortunately, we just happen to be the scapegoat for administrators who run to the press blaming us for hospital closures. We have the most expensive system in the world, but it isn't because it's the best....it's because we have very greedy and very influential corporations running this country. Furthermore, it shouldn't be a requirement for nurses to be routinely abused just because they chose nursing as a profession.
  3. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    how this jackass thinks he has a political future blows me away........
    Wanna know one reason?

    "I like Arnold. He makes good fun of Liberal weenies"

    I didn't say that, ok?!!!! :stone
  4. by   ERNurse752
    Quote from lpn2bee05
    [font=Comic Sans MS]This is really a huge step for nurses as far as bonding together and fighting for what is ethically right--patient safety and meaningful, quality, and holistic care. If we have no time to do all the charting, how are we ever going to find the time to ....well, hold a hand and listen?
    [font=Comic Sans MS]As a student--and truly in diapers/pull-ups as far as nursing is concerned :imbar --I feel that the CNA is fighting for me too--all the way here in NC. I got really emotional reading about Schwarzenegger's comments and the CNA's response. I think we do need far more press and publicity--because the average person has no idea about what is going on.
    [font=Comic Sans MS]I know it sounds silly, but someone call Oprah!


    Well, Oprah is buddies with Maria Shriver. Better call Dr. Phil...wait, that's not good either. Hmmm... Hey, Montel!
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    You can listen to the show if you want:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...256263#content
    Health Care
    Nurses Take on Governator over Staffing Rules

    Day to Day, January 3, 2005 * NPR's Richard Gonzales reports on the fight between a California nurses' union and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The nurses are suing because the governor recently blocked new regulations that would have lowered nurse-to-patient ratios in most California hospitals.
  6. by   upgreach
    As a nurse, this is offensive....it is strange to me that you would choose to call a duly elected representative of the state of California an "ignorant jerk." Ignorant of what? Mr. Schwarzenegger is doing what he thinks is best for the state of California, and choosing to use "ignorant" to refer to someone who actually is informed is a poor choice of words.
    As a male nurse, I am even more offended :angryfire that you would call Mr. S. "sexist!" To follow calling his sexist with "GO GET HIM GIRLS!" to refer to an organization that is not made up of entirely women, shows a total lack of respect for the men who are in your profession.

    It would seem that many of you assume that Mr. S. does not care for the patients...that is absurd! This is a very complicated issue and while I agree that the way to solve it is not to take a way a good law (i.e. the patient ration), resorting to personal attacks is not either. Maybe we should ponder ways that we can best care for the patients and continue to maintain a health care system that allows us too. What will be interesting to see is how California's Health Care system sustains this pt ratio requirement. I hope from a fiscal perspective they prove they can, and then maybe we can get to work and make this a nationwide regualation to protect our patients.


    Quote from Justmeandmycat
    Oh, Arnold (sigh), you're such a jerk. But thank you for being such a wonderful jerk! You're the PERFECT lightning rod! We needed a big mouthed, ignorant sexist with a high profile to attract attention to our issues! And you stepped up to the plate. THANK YOU!

    GO GET HIM GIRLS! Patients lives are at stake.
  7. by   Jedi
    If Arnold would take the time to have his staff read the nursing literature put out by research by nurses in California, he would know that there is a direct correlation between:

    RN's taking on more post-surgical patients results in an increase in patient mortality rates.

    I wish I could site the exact study, but as I recall, the report on the study went something to this effect:

    When RN's patient-loads on a post-surgical floor went from six to eight, the patient mortality rate increased by 20%.

    California's Ph.D'ed RN's lead the way in proving to the world that it is nurses that provide the safe environment for patients to heal and regain maximal functioning. Does the governer understand the correlation between sick days and what that costs the California economy on a daily basis? Will some of you awesome RN's from California please direct him to the latest research and statistics? He and the California public deserve to see the objective facts so that decisions can be based on research rather than politics and emotion.

    Thanks!
  8. by   kathi yudin
    middle management here..!!!.. as dierector of nursing at a skilled nursing facility.. not an acute care.. these ratio's do not affect me .. however.. let me tell you what i as middle management do in a day.. i schedule nurses.. do safety and skin meetings... monitor mds assessments and check them.. assess residents.. know every resident (96) in my facility along with their families.. talk with psychiatrists and primary docs on an on going basis.. feed residents.. monitor rna feeding program.. and regular dining rooms.. weight meetings.. do admissions.. go to meetings after work with docs and drug reps.. give tours... do inservices.. quality assurance reports quarterly which require special programs be done to maintain quality assurance...write up policies which are required to comply with title 22 and OBRA guidelines.. change diapers.. bathe residents and do treatments as needed.. my day starts at 6am and i leave anytime after 5pm often later.. i am on call 24/7..we fix the pressure ulcers caused in the acute hospitals.. and deal with psych patients that no one else will take.. as stated previously in other notes.. my nurses have 32 residents to pass meds to .. do treatments for.. assess and take care of.. they do it without complaining and do it better then any nurses i know.. if they can handle this.. they can handle anything!!!.. as far as i am concerned.. while ratio's are good and needed.. there are not enough nurses out there to cover the 1:5 ratio that you are all wanting... i have listened to all you have all said.. you need to understand there are not enough nurses.. i am not.. and probably after this.. will never be.. a member of the cna!!!.. they as far as i am concerned not taking into account the lack of nurses.. nurses leave the profession for various reasons.. burnout.. babies.. moving.. and keeping license current.. yet not active.. this nursing shortage is not a figment of the imagination.. it is not a distortion by management.. it is a fact!!!!!.. name calling to the governor gets no one anywhere.. only working together to solve the problem and getting more young people into nursing will solve the dilemma.. suing the governor is a waste of money.. better put it to use educating those that can't affort to pay for an education!!!.. get nurses into nursing!!!.. then work on the ratio's..


    Quote from lee1
    Yes, someone remind me just WHY we need middle management who in my experience for the most part DISTORT the information that is passed to upper management to make themselves look good. Beyond scheduling and ordering supplies for the unit what is their purpose?? Most do NOT want to help out with covering breaks, meals, educational inservices, committee meetings. Staff meetings where info is passed along from upper management could be given directly, clinical educators who educate, not spend time writing up bogus policies that we are drowning in. Put more responsiblitiy on the upper management who spends all their time holding meeting for the lower management. Just give the info directly. Hire a few more good administrative secretaries which cost half the money as a nurse.
  9. by   Vivi
    i had gathered the following data with another student, who found data on consequences in nursing homes, for a group presentation in class. nurses work situation needs to be improved. the nursing shortage is largely due to difficult working conditions, handling too many patients, leading to negative consequences for patients: it is important to ensure patients safety, and to improve nurses working situation.

    [font='times new roman']

    • "study after study" shows that staffing too few nurses can affect patients' health and sometimes cause deaths.
    coverage & access | ap/kansas city star [mar 29, 2004]

    coverage & access | ap/kansas city star [mar 29, 2004]


        • in addition, researchers at harvard and vanderbilt universities found preventable deaths and patient complication were up to nine times higher in hospitals where the most care was given by licensed practical nurses and aides, not rns.
    coverage & access | ap/kansas city star [mar 29, 2004]


        • linda aiken, director of the center for health outcomes and policy research at the university of pennsylvania school of nursing, found in a 2002 survey of 168 hospitals that the risk of dying after surgery increased 7% for each patient over four patients assigned per nurse.
    coverage & access | ap/kansas city star [mar 29, 2004]

    -patients in understaffed nursing homes are more likely to suffer from pathologies.
    staff levels in 9 out of 10 nursing homes are not adequate to take proper care of patients.


    [font='courier new']opressure ulcers
    [font='courier new']omalnutrition
    [font='courier new']oweight loss
    [font='courier new']odehydration
    [font='courier new']opneumonia
    [font='courier new']oserious blood-borne infections

    i hope this is helpful.
  10. by   stevierae
    Quote from Jedi
    California's Ph.D'ed RN's lead the way in proving to the world that it is nurses that provide the safe environment for patients to heal and regain maximal functioning.
    Not to deny anybody their day in the sun--but my CNA colleagues and I, all staff RNs, very few with PhDs or Masters' (in fact, many of us, myself included, have AAs in nursing) were the ones out there getting the word out and going on strike--and staying on strike--when necessary to protest unsafe staffing conditions and suboptimal patient care. We were the ones who got the public educated about what RNs REALLY do--hence the CA slogan, seen everwhere now, stating "Every patient deserves an RN." We also were not willing to have guilt trips laid on us about demanding decent pay and decent working condidtions. I don't recall any PhDs or Master's prepared RNs out there on the strike line with us, at any time.

    Funny, most PhDs and Masters prepared nurses of my aquaintance, since the '80ss, are either ivory tower nurses--in research--or in management. They are usually clueless as to the daily lives of staff nurses, or what hurdles we had to pass--since the late '70s, and possibly before-- to get to where we are today.

    Those PhDs and Masters' RNs at my hospitals (which were CNA) were NOT union--they were management--and all they did was badmouth the union, try to discourage us talking about it, and bring in outside "union-buster" consultants such as the Burke Group. They could have saved their money--CNA RNs are not easily intimidated.
    Last edit by stevierae on Jan 5, '05
  11. by   Justmeandmycat
    As a male nurse, I am even more offended :angryfire that you would call Mr. S. "sexist!" To follow calling his sexist with "GO GET HIM GIRLS!" to refer to an organization that is not made up of entirely women, shows a total lack of respect for the men who are in your profession.

    Hi. I realized after I posted, that the "Go get him girls" comment would tick off some male nurses when I was actually going for some humor. Oh well, you're right. Absolutey apologize to you guys out there - heat of the moment. I do, however, stand by the rest of my post. I still think Arnold managed to loudmouth his way into his position and is now having difficulty understanding the complexities of the healthcare system and his role as a democratically elected official who thinks he can overstep the legislature. I think Maria must have slapped duct tape over his mouth because he's been laying low in the media since then. Have a good day.
  12. by   Jedi
    Re: Funny, most PhDs and Masters prepared nurses of my aquaintance,
    since the '80ss, are either ivory tower nurses--in research--or in
    management. They are usually clueless as to the daily lives of staff
    nurses, or what hurdles we had to pass--since the late '70s, and
    possibly before-- to get to where we are today.

    Whoops, didn't mean to spark up any RN class competition

    I went through a program myself that was supposed to rocket me up to an "advanced degree" asap. I stopped after my BSN because I wanted to get the med/surg hands on. I understand the "ivory tower" comment completely. I am thankful that there are RN's that are PhD's who are doing research that supports the hands on RN's on the floor. Without the statistics they generate, we wouldn't have the data to throw back in the face of Arnold when he calls the CNA a "special interest" group. I think that all RN's, whether diploma, 2 yr., 4 yr, masters, or PhD with their hearts and minds in the right places can advance all RN's everywhere by staying aware of what's going on in our industry and getting involved in these types of discussions. We need to bring these discussions to people outside of our own profession, in the general public and legislatures. After all, everyone will most likely end up in the hospital someday (unfortunately, knock on wood), and I bet they will be very concerned about how many patients their nurse is taking care of when that time comes. That means you too Arnold!

    Thanks for your comments!
  13. by   NurseGuy_in_06
    Quote from Justmeandmycat
    As a male nurse, I am even more offended :angryfire that you would call Mr. S. "sexist!" To follow calling his sexist with "GO GET HIM GIRLS!" to refer to an organization that is not made up of entirely women, shows a total lack of respect for the men who are in your profession.

    Hi. I realized after I posted, that the "Go get him girls" comment would tick off some male nurses when I was actually going for some humor. Oh well, you're right. Absolutey apologize to you guys out there - heat of the moment. I do, however, stand by the rest of my post. I still think Arnold managed to loudmouth his way into his position and is now having difficulty understanding the complexities of the healthcare system and his role as a democratically elected official who thinks he can overstep the legislature. I think Maria must have slapped duct tape over his mouth because he's been laying low in the media since then. Have a good day.
    As my name says I am a male nurse to be and I am NOT offended by the sexist remark. He is sexist. He is also clueless about the fact that he is not the center of the universe. If you want to understand what makes this man tick, read his book from the 70's entitled "Arnold Portrait of a Bodybuilder". He is egocentric, a self-avowed athiest, and in his own words will do what it takes to get what he wants in life. In his book he even brags about manipulating friends to get what he wants. Understand the man befeore you support him.

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