Bill Would Let Patients Pick Nurse Gender - page 2

JUNEAU, Alaska -- Faith Myers, an Anchorage woman with schizophrenia, has been in and out of mental institutions since 2000. She said she felt violated during the time she spent at the Alaska... Read More

  1. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Where's the similar bill that would allow for the pt. to choose which gender of a doctor they want?

    Hey, if we're going to get petty, we might as well go all the way....
  2. by   CHATSDALE
    this is the stupidest thing i ever heard of...
    if i am sick and i need a nurse i could not care less about their gender
    if the patient is presented with a competent, caring nurse who will attend their need they will accept....if they are asked gee you don't really want a [gasp] man in here taking care of you do you?
    nurses come to work on a rotating basis and there are sure to be shifts which are all one gender or the other you can't say 'you are just going to have to lay in it till the next shift comes on'
    all of which reminds me of a small unit [13 beds] there was me and a male nurse..he came to me to ask me if i would clean up a lady on his side which i did...later in the night i asked him to do likewise and he looked at me as if i had grown another head and he refused...the pixies were on my side however because he had two incontient later in shift and i just smiled at him when he asked for help...[he didn't really want 'help' he wanted me to go in and do it]
    i wrote a note to don stating he didn't want to work with me anymore I CRIED not
  3. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from alton
    It could be Alaska has a shortage of females in any profession.If their Gov passes a law maybe they will come there.
    If Alaska passes a law to change nursing assignments to match up gender??????

    How exactly is that going to increase the number of female nurses that move to Alaska?
  4. by   live4today
    Quote from FROGGYLEGS
    ......................................I can't think of
    a single male pt to ever refuse care based on sex, but I guess it happens.

    Yes, it does happen. I had a job once where a male patient refused to have a female bathe him. He requested we wait until his wife came to bathe him if we could not provide a male to bathe him. He was a geriatic patient, so I think this is pretty typical of the over 65 age group (or sometimes over 55).

    I think it is okay for a patient to request the gender that they would be most comfortable with. If that gender was not available, then they still have the right to check out of the hospital, or have a family member come for their "private care" each day. Like I said, it will be mostly the elderly in this category anyway.

    I don't mind a male doing care for me, and I'm 53.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I see trouble here. Like that thread with the manipulative old lady, this could cause some problematic staffing issues that are unwarranted and can present problems for patient care overall. I dont' like or agree with it myself. I want a COMPETENT and CARING nurse, gender means nothing to me.
  6. by   SharonH, RN
    Will someone please stop the madness!!! As someone has already pointed out, we already try to accomodate our patient's hang-ups so why must this be legislated. This is discrimination, pure and simple.
  7. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    Will someone please stop the madness!!! As someone has already pointed out, we already try to accomodate our patient's hang-ups so why must this be legislated. This is discrimination, pure and simple.
    Good thought, Sharon.........there's already enough crap we have to put up with in order to accomodate some patients' quirks---not to mention their bad decisions and general stupidity. What's next---allowing patients to refuse nurses of a certain religion? Political affiliation? Age? Gimme a break!!
  8. by   nurse_wannabe
    Some people are just extremely shy and modest. I can remember when I was in 11th grade, I had a female gyno problem (some kind of hemmorhage), and had to go to the ER. I had to get a catheter so they could obtain a clean urine specimen. Well, the nurse was female but I remember there were some male students looking on, and I thought I would just about die of embarassment. I was not a virgin, and I am definitely not a sexual prude, nor have I ever been. I just felt terribly embarassed having my peers see my most intimate parts. LOL.

    Now, of course, as long as the nurse is professional and I feel I can trust him/her I don't really care what their gender is. However, that is just MY opinion, and I don't feel it is my place to judge anyone who prefers a female.

    But, I do not think legislation is neccessary. Any institution should already be doing their best to accomodate these requests whenever possible.
  9. by   jnette
    Y'know. as I think about this, I can fully understand why ppl might have preferences... not that our male colleagues are any less or any more professional than the femlaes.. but I'm looking at it strictly from the PATIENT'S perspective and why they might feel uncomfortable.

    With SO MUCH emphasis on "sex" in our society, (TV, movies, comedy, talk shows).. and our tendency to see the human body and anatomy as a "sexual" thing (far more so than in other countries) it is easy to see why many have hang-ups about this. And many women DO prefer female docs, I know I do.. and I am far from prudish, modest, or shy about my body.

    While I was an avid skinny-dipper in my younger years , I was surprised this week as I was being prepped for my cardiac procedure that I had to fight off little twinges of "discomfort" which tried to force their way into my consciousness as I was surrounded by a room full of male nurses.

    And rationally, I KNEW that these fellas were professionals. But irrationally, stupid thoughts would creep in.. like all the jokes and small talk.. the obsession with big boobs, (and there I lay with my little old, shriveled up deflated fried eggs) ... and then while I was being shaved to prep the catheter entry sites and the areas cleansed and swabbed with povidone...I have to be honest and admit that I had to make a conscious effort to remind myself that these guys were nurses and just like me .. no different than when I would do the same to a male patient.

    So I really think a lot of it has to do with how we have made such an ISSUE of sexuality and the human body, so that it permeates our consciousness at nearly every level.. even when you KNOW BETTER.

    So if I felt just a tiny tad wierd, I can well imagine how some of the elderly or other regular folks might feel, who certainly aren't used to this. And while their DOCS might be male, these same docs are seen by them maybe once a month or far less even, and certainly don't bathe them, do pericare, and assist them with toileting on a daily basis, either, so these folks can deal with it on a different level perhaps.

    At least I had the sense to recognize my own feelings and brush them off as irrational, tell myself I knew better. etc. and the LAST thing I wanted was to make THEM feel uncomfortable by my own occasional little twinges of selfconsciousness.

    By no means am I advocating this bill or any like it.. it's nonsense. I'm merely attempting to see where this feeling originates and understand it. There IS much to be said for those women who may have been sexually assualted or molested, I can find no fault there with having a preference.

    But all in all, we do attempt to accomodate our patients as best we can, for it is in the end, THEIR comfort that we seek and do our best to provide.

    We as nurses, viewing all this from OUR perspective can see how silly this is. I always like to put myself in my patinet's shoes and view things from THEIR perspective as well. And not all come from the same place... some could care less, some might even ENJOY it :uhoh21: .. and some have real issues with it.

    I think we are already doing the right thing.. recognizing personal preferences and accomodating where we can, as we can, to put our patients at ease.
    But legislation is foolishness and just another slippery slope toward more foolishness yet. :stone
  10. by   CCU NRS
    Quote from jnette
    Y'know. as I think about this, I can fully understand why ppl might have preferences... not that our male colleagues are any less or any more professional than the femlaes.. but I'm looking at it strictly from the PATIENT'S perspective and why they might feel uncomfortable.

    With SO MUCH emphasis on "sex" in our society, (TV, movies, comedy, talk shows).. and our tendency to see the human body and anatomy as a "sexual" thing (far more so than in other countries) it is easy to see why many have hang-ups about this. And many women DO prefer female docs, I know I do.. and I am far from prudish, modest, or shy about my body.

    While I was an avid skinny-dipper in my younger years , I was surprised this week as I was being prepped for my cardiac procedure that I had to fight off little twinges of "discomfort" which tried to force their way into my consciousness as I was surrounded by a room full of male nurses.

    And rationally, I KNEW that these fellas were professionals. But irrationally, stupid thoughts would creep in.. like all the jokes and small talk.. the obsession with big boobs, (and there I lay with my little old, shriveled up deflated fried eggs) ... and then while I was being shaved to prep the catheter entry sites and the areas cleansed and swabbed with povidone...I have to be honest and admit that I had to make a conscious effort to remind myself that these guys were nurses and just like me .. no different than when I would do the same to a male patient.

    So I really think a lot of it has to do with how we have made such an ISSUE of sexuality and the human body, so that it permeates our consciousness at nearly every level.. even when you KNOW BETTER.

    So if I felt just a tiny tad wierd, I can well imagine how some of the elderly or other regular folks might feel, who certainly aren't used to this. And while their DOCS might be male, these same docs are seen by them maybe once a month or far less even, and certainly don't bathe them, do pericare, and assist them with toileting on a daily basis, either, so these folks can deal with it on a different level perhaps.

    At least I had the sense to recognize my own feelings and brush them off as irrational, tell myself I knew better. etc. and the LAST thing I wanted was to make THEM feel uncomfortable by my own occasional little twinges of selfconsciousness.

    By no means am I advocating this bill or any like it.. it's nonsense. I'm merely attempting to see where this feeling originates and understand it. There IS much to be said for those women who may have been sexually assualted or molested, I can find no fault there with having a preference.

    But all in all, we do attempt to accomodate our patients as best we can, for it is in the end, THEIR comfort that we seek and do our best to provide.

    We as nurses, viewing all this from OUR perspective can see how silly this is. I always like to put myself in my patinet's shoes and view things from THEIR perspective as well. And not all come from the same place... some could care less, some might even ENJOY it :uhoh21: .. and some have real issues with it.

    I think we are already doing the right thing.. recognizing personal preferences and accomodating where we can, as we can, to put our patients at ease.
    But legislation is foolishness and just another slippery slope toward more foolishness yet. :stone
    you put this beautifully I was going to write something on this topic but I think I can safely say you have covered my own thoughts, especially with psych patients that are vulnerable to begin with I feel we should try to accomadate although legislation is ridiculous
  11. by   CCU NRS
    Quote from alton
    As a male nurse I advocate for my pt.
    Ditto
    I also understand the age issue older females often do prefer females and are uncomfortable with male nurses, but it has been my experience that most people that have given male nurses a chance male or female often end up preferring male nurses.

    JMHO let the flames begin
  12. by   jnette
    Quote from CCU NRS
    Ditto
    I also understand the age issue older females often do prefer females and are uncomfortable with male nurses, but it has been my experience that most people that have given male nurses a chance male or female often end up preferring male nurses.

    JMHO let the flames begin
    You know, you do have a point ! Absolutely... I truly admire and respect all our male colleagues, and find them to be truly professional and also genuinely caring.

    It's just a matter of "getting used to" it when it becomes "up close and personal" :chuckle for us who are just a tad older... just a TAD, mind you !

    It's really "me".. not them !
    Last edit by jnette on Apr 9, '05
  13. by   Town & Country
    What's wrong with wanting a female nurse?

    I would prefer a female nurse if I was hospitalized and in a vunerable position where I was receiving care and hygiene needs.....not to mention a patient could have a history of being sexually abused and might feel threatened or invaded by a male nurse........

    ...we have a MALE patient now that will not interact with MALE caregivers ~ even CNAS ~ because he prefers being taken care of by female nurses.

    This is a choice of each patient and should be respected, IMHO.

    It has nothing to do with "discrimination."

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