Bachelors Degree requirement for Mickey D's!!!!!! - page 6

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Bachelors required in a burger joint? Really? So, deductive reasoning would suggest that a new grad ASN-RN who can't find a job would not meet the requirements to flip burgers at Mickey D's. What on Earth is the word coming to???... Read More


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    Quote from Hygiene Queen
    But yes, it's true. Many folks just don't have the basic skills and McDonald's or Dollar General is the best they can ever hope to do... especially since many of them also lack initiative, ambition, insight, responsibility and self-confidence. Some folks often aren't even aware it is possible to do better or choose not to because it is too much work.
    Oh, but I could go on and on, but I'll put a cork in it now.
    Even if someone could "do better," we still need people who are willing to work those jobs in order for our society to continue function the way it does. Also, I can understand why a person who doesn't have the resources readily available or supportive parents would elect to not go to college...if it seems like they may invest all this work and money, but end up in a similar situation. In my opinion, any person who is steadily holding a job is deserving of respect, regardless of what the job involves.

    I think that a large part of the reason why a Bachelor's degree is less significant these days, is because college is now regarded as a deserved "experience" by so many who attend. Students decide on majors simply because they find the subject interesting, and give little weight to how this degree will prepare them for a job later. This has produced tons of people with college degrees that have not been trained in any certain skill, only with more knowledge about a particular subject. That would be fine, but when they go out looking for jobs, they apply for positions (like a bank teller) that don't really need a college graduate, but it makes sense that a company would hire the most qualified person who also has the highest level of education. Now, it's even harder for anyone with just a high school diploma to get any sort of job that they can support themselves on, and people with college degrees end up taking jobs they could have gotten with no college, but have loans to pay on top of that.

    I think that more people should opt for trade schools, or even work for a little while before college, to give them some time to figure out what they really want to do. Education is never bad, but if literature, history, or philosophy is your thing, and you don't have rich parents and want to be able to support a family, there are public libraries that are free.

    Just my opinion.
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    ACA will not go into effect until 2014. I should mention that the nurse who is working at the fast food joint is living in NYC, which has been one of the roughest nursing job markets in the country since 2008.

    Many nurses cannot get hired because way too many nurses are being generated right now when the market cannot absorb them all. The number of full time nurses grew by 386,000 from 2005 to 2010 and much of this growth occurred as unemployment crept up to 10 percent during that period, according to a New England Journal of Medicine report. Frankly, too many people jumped on the nursing bandwagon and trained to become nurses because they heard of the 'nursing shortage.'

    The increase of accelerated bachelor of science in nursing (BSN) degree programs and direct-entry master of science in nursing (MSN) degree programs also contributed to the rapid increase in the number of new nurses because students who hold non-nursing degrees can complete these training programs in 15 to 24 months.

    The slumping economic situation also contributed to the lack of nursing jobs. Seasoned nurses are not retiring because many saw their retirement funds dwindle during the economic crisis of 2008. Other nurses have become breadwinners and accepted full-time positions once their spouses were laid off during the Great Recession. Some nurses are coming out of retirement and reactivating their nursing licenses. Moreover, masses of people lost health insurance benefits after becoming unemployed, which leads to reduced patient census in places that provide nursing care.

    Alright. Honestly, and I am being genuine here. Please tell me why I have been told by CNOs and so many others that the hiring freezes have much to do with ACA and other related changes. Why are the hospitals pulling in the reins so tight on hiring? And when they do release them a bit, why do they go to PT hiring over full-time in many cases? You don't find this a little curious?

    Nurses coming out of retirement have as much of a hard time finding jobs as new grads.

    There's more to the big picture.
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    Quote from samadams8

    Alright. Honestly, and I am being genuine here. Please tell me why I have been told by CNOs and so many others that the hiring freezes have much to do with ACA and other related changes. Why are the hospitals pulling in the reins so tight on hiring?
    That is a script as ridiculous as the pt service scripts that lots of hospitals force many bedside nurses to use. Hospitals have been freezing jobs since the economy was losing jobs 750,000+ from 2005-2008. The economy was tanking sooo badly, but no one wanted to talk about it...now they are more nervous because of the difficulty to recoup, as the reasons The Commuter expressed in her posts. They have a right to be nervous, but proactive as well, especially in places that already have lack of access to healthcare.

    [QUOTE] And when they do release them a bit, why do they go to PT hiring over full-time in many cases? You don't find this a little curious?[\QUOTE]

    Nope...just obvious that there are many hospitals that are losing in the economy, especially ones without the "safety" of a large teaching institution hospital network. Or the ones who invested badly in the market, may have not recouped, or are at the mercy at its shareholders to sit on the money.

    Nurses coming out of retirement have as much of a hard time finding jobs as new grads.

    There's more to the big picture.
    The big picture is, many people had to do what The Commuter has expressed. People still have the impression that you can make an insane amount of cash as a nurse....the quote I would hear from people is "nursing is where the money is." I just had this discussion last night with someone not in the healthcare field. To some, the wages too few, to many MORE, especially w/o a pot to **** in, it is a lot if money, even coming from McDonalds.

    One my nursing instructors said it best: "You won't get rich being a nurse, but you will certainly earn a living."

    The challenge for the ones who have been out of acute care are the same challenges to the ones who want a chance to enter it...Nursing care has turned into nursing management at the bedside; the complex care that we have to do has jumped LIGHT years...the learning curve is larger than its ever been; they are being more cognizant of who they enter in their system, as well as the not-too-distant memory of many new grads during the last shortage that took signing bonuses and burned their bridges by leaving after their designated limit...1-2 years. They want nurses who invest in staying 15-20 years like the old school nurses did...I work around a good balance of this where I work now. They move on to be educators, providers, executives in the hospital. If one is not going to try to be vested in the company, then it's all or nothing...mainly nothing...unless you do your time part-time, and show that one really wants to invest time there.
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    Quote from SubSippi
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    Education is never bad, but if literature, history, or philosophy is your thing, and you don't have rich parents and want to be able to support a family, there are public libraries that are free.

    Just my opinion.
    Absolutely! I don't get why more people don't understand this... you can always learn for free. College should be an investment in your future, IMO, and not just a huge money drain that you'll never be able to pay back. I learned that the hard way getting a bachelor's in Psychology; there are no jobs for people with a bachelor's in that field. It was a little different for me because I started college in 2006 before everything crashed, and you could get a job with any college degree at all then, but you can't do that anymore. I literally had my high school counselor tell me just to go get that piece of paper and anyone would want to hire me because I graduated college... what a load of BS.
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    I am with you on that! Graduation is May 10th and the loan repayments start in May! McDonald's here I come complete with a BSN. I know I can teach them about healthy eating habits and heart health well they wait for their super sized order!
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    Quote from SubSippi
    I think that a large part of the reason why a Bachelor's degree is less significant these days, is because college is now regarded as a deserved "experience" by so many who attend. Students decide on majors simply because they find the subject interesting, and give little weight to how this degree will prepare them for a job later. This has produced tons of people with college degrees that have not been trained in any certain skill, only with more knowledge about a particular subject. That would be fine, but when they go out looking for jobs, they apply for positions (like a bank teller) that don't really need a college graduate, but it makes sense that a company would hire the most qualified person who also has the highest level of education. Now, it's even harder for anyone with just a high school diploma to get any sort of job that they can support themselves on, and people with college degrees end up taking jobs they could have gotten with no college, but have loans to pay on top of that.

    I think that more people should opt for trade schools, or even work for a little while before college, to give them some time to figure out what they really want to do. Education is never bad, but if literature, history, or philosophy is your thing, and you don't have rich parents and want to be able to support a family, there are public libraries that are free.

    Just my opinion.
    Liberal arts aren't necessarily fluff. International business means mastering at least 1 foreign language. A lot of history majors end up working for finance firms. I attended college in a state where teacher certification required a dual major, so many early childhood and elementary ed majors had a double major in english, psychology, sociology, or fine and performing arts. A lot of people who wanted to go to med school doubled in biology and philosophy. Since the state didn't have a public law school, a lot of future lawyers majored in philosophy. My sister majored in english and sociology, went to law school,and now earns a nice living in New York as a healthcare compliance officer.

    It doesn't exactly help that a degree that is considered valuable when you start school can be worthless when you finish. Consider how the nursing job market changed between 2007 and 2008. Besides, if everyone studied engineering, engineers would be working retail.

    Trades aren't necessarily an answer. The housing bust put a number of tradespeople out of work. I'm from Boston, where the trades are a closed shop. You need connections (preferably family) to get into an apprenticeship, and even more connections to get a job. And the military isn't for everyone.
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    You are so right when I started on my nursing education in 2007 hospitals were signing students up before they hit the floor for clinical to be interns now I am a new grad with a BSN and no one wants new grads. I am willing to get my 3 years needed experience but confused as how to do that. I am holding off on my Masters and DNP until I see if I can use my BSN.


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