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No. 70
from kitty29
Old Dec 29, 2007, 04:20 AM

Default Re: Dennis Quaid's twins & other babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
Originally Posted by Jolie View Post
Siri,

Why were the babies in the hospital then? I assumed that they were preemies, but this picture shows apparently healthy babies who were definitely not in need of NICU care. What took both babies back to the hospital with a need for IV access?
Even babys born near term can have complications esp. twins; and even after the RDS, sepsis, or whatever is resolved there can be feeding issues. Often the bigger baby takes longer to get going on feeding esp. brst feeding.
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No. 71
from kitty29
Old Dec 29, 2007, 04:22 AM

Default Re: Dennis Quaid and Heparin
Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006 View Post
It's obvious that you have never been a nurse, so please refrain from the quick judgement.

It's easy to pull a med from the pyxis, where it's always been and administer it like you always do. Especially if the wrong med is in the wrong spot.

This is an error, yes. Horrible, yes. But I wouldn't call it EXTREME carelessness. I won't throw stones on an error that can easily be my own.
Nicely said - on behalf of all NICU nurses I thank you.
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No. 72
from kitty29
Old Dec 29, 2007, 04:25 AM

Default Re: Babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006 View Post
Yep. I draw it up in a TB syringe.

Adult based nurses don't have a clue about the NICU do they!
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No. 73
from elizabells
Old Dec 29, 2007, 04:29 AM

Default Re: Babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
It's interesting... one of our NNPs told me the other night that as long as a central line is running above a KVO rate with heparinized fluids, flushes don't actually NEED to be heparinized. We use straight saline for our PIVs, but gosh, can it be a bear trying to get heparinized fluid to flush a central/arterial line. Pharmacy is supposed to send us a bag each day for art lines, but after the intital placement, they don't send anything for PICCs. For a while people were just drawing off whatever art flush bag they could find, even for another patient, until someone helpfully pointed out what a massive infection control problem that was. Unfortunately, our pharmacy doesn't consider heparinized fluids a priority, so they can be really hard to get when you need them to flush a cranky PICC line.
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No. 74
from kitty29
Old Dec 29, 2007, 04:35 AM

Default Re: Babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
Originally Posted by elizabells View Post
It's interesting... one of our NNPs told me the other night that as long as a central line is running above a KVO rate with heparinized fluids, flushes don't actually NEED to be heparinized. We use straight saline for our PIVs, but gosh, can it be a bear trying to get heparinized fluid to flush a central/arterial line. Pharmacy is supposed to send us a bag each day for art lines, but after the intital placement, they don't send anything for PICCs. For a while people were just drawing off whatever art flush bag they could find, even for another patient, until someone helpfully pointed out what a massive infection control problem that was. Unfortunately, our pharmacy doesn't consider heparinized fluids a priority, so they can be really hard to get when you need them to flush a cranky PICC line.
Depends on the baby, if fluids are restricted you have to use hep. to keep a line open some of our line we run at .2 cc/hr. Without hep a line ussually needs to run about 3ccc/hr huge difference. . And I have seen bigger babys back-up the IV at slower rates (PIV's).
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No. 75
from elizabells
Old Dec 29, 2007, 04:59 AM

Default Re: Babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
Wow, we never run a central or an arterial line at anything lower than 1.2cc/hr. We'll restrict absolutely everything else first. Even PIVs are usually run over that, unless it's only for intralipids or something. If it's a drip it's piggybacked with NS or D5 to make 1.2cc/hr. I see your point, that's just not our policy.
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No. 76
Old Jan 22, 2008, 10:53 PM
Updated Jan 22, 2008 at 11:13 PM by Liddle Noodnik

Default Re: Babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
Forgive me - I know this is an old issue - but it just appeared in my local paper and I searched for it here.

Seems to me the problem with similar labeling of heparin is as old as time - or at least has been a problem since I graduated nursing school. Why haven't the drug companies changed their labeling practices??

**Also, and I know it was said already, but when I was trained we had the 3 R-s of patient medication administration. Now I understand it is 5 R-s. I am so sad that this happened, especially since the person administering the drug is the one who is ultimately at fault. Thank God the babies are ok, this could have been disasterous.

I really think this has as much to do with nursing staffing/shortages as it does education and drug labeling.

Anyone heard anything further on this issue?

** I meant to add - in nursing school, and in every facility orientation I have ever attended, this potential packaging problem with heparin has been brought to attendees' attention. We were told, "the packaging on different doses of this medication is very similar and mistakes have been made. Use the utmost caution when administering!"
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No. 77
from NRSKarenRN
Old Mar 15, 2008, 12:49 PM

Default Re: Babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
Dennis Quaid speaks to `60 Minutes' about the ordeal that nearly killed his twins (People-Dennis-Quaid)

They recall dog food that came from China last year,'' Quaid says. ``But they don't recall medicine that kills people if you give it in the wrong dosage. ... We think it's wrong.'

Report airs Sunday, March 16, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3936412.shtml
Debra Bello, a senior director at Baxter, explains why the company didn’t recall the old vials still in hospital storage rooms, from which the Quaid twins received their overdoses. "Because the product was safe and effective, and the errors, as the hospital has acknowledged, were preventable and due to failures in their system," says Bello, pointing out that ultimately, the person administering the drug should have read its label.
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No. 78
Old Mar 15, 2008, 02:35 PM

Default Re: Babies given wrong dose of Heparin @ Cedar Sinai
Nice, so Baxter obviously isn't all about patient safety ...... if they were, they would see how these errors have happened, repeatedly, and would have done things to help make them safer. But no. Why do something when you can place the blame on someone else?
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No. 79
from Diahni
Old Mar 16, 2008, 01:58 PM

Default Quaid twins victims of understaffing...
Hi everybody:
Is anyone following the case Dennis Quaid's newborns? It sounds like his wrath is aimed at drug companies for making the labels of different concentrations of heparin looking so similar. I know that a pharm tech put the wrong vial in a drawer in the pedi unit. Anybody know details? I would like to know what the staffing situation was when his twins were given the wrong heparin.
Thanks,
Diahni
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