Article on shelter that allow alcoholics to drink

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    They claim it is more cost effective and they will drink anyway...

    http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/0...-death/?hpt=C2
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    sounds like a REAL christian shelter to me.
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    There is a shelter like this in my area. It can be a rough place, but it serves a good purpose. It provides a shelter and bed for people who would otherwise be on the street.

    Many homeless shelters do not allow smoking inside, but they allow it outside. Does that mean that homeless shelters are condoning and enabling smoking? These shelters also don't allow illegal drug use inside, but cannot control it outside the building. Are homeless shelters enabling drug use? No and no.

    Alcoholism is a disease. Yes, drinking can be a choice but it is also addicting. Alcoholics need help, not to be rejected and tossed on the streets because of their habits. Imagine a shelter refusing a type II diabetic who won't stop eating cake...
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    I am more for the thought in Al anon that says do not create a crisis but also do not prevent one from happening. In other words to my understanding in the disease of alcoholism one can be an enabler from the alcoholic from hitting the bottom.

    Though good intentioned I think these shelters are enabling.

    Marc
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    Have you ever been around an alcoholic going through withdrawls its not a nice sight the hospitial I work for sends beer up on their meal tray so they can be some what normal I didn't understand why family members would give alcohol to alcoholics until I spent time with one going through withdrawls
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    We get many regular ETOH'ers on our floor---see them over and over and over again! They have no intention of stop drinking. Instead the hospital admits them and the games begin! Urinating everywhere, ripping out IV's, assaulting staff, good times! I realize its a disease and if they could stop, most would, but they can't and they refuse to get help (the ones we see) So they refuse help, yet the hospital keeps admitting them and they keep using up valuable resources, which cost us taxpayers $$$$$$$$$$$. I say, let them drink, may sound cruel, but if they dont want help, I would rather see tax payers money go towards people that could actually use and appreciate it.
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    my husband used to work at a pizza joint and i'd pick him up after work late at night (those were the days)

    we'd usually stop by a gas station on the way home where this homeless couple would pretty much hang out. we don't have many homeless people around here so it's a rare sight. i don't know if they didn't go to a shelter bc they didn't want to be separated (into male/female bunks) or bc they wanted to drink. i think it was a mixture of both.

    either way - they were nice people. they never asked us for money or anything. we'd always give them pizza and they'd take it. i felt bad for them. they were cold and hungry. i didn't feel bad enough to give them money to drink or to take them home with me, but enough to help them "how i could with what i had" ya know? if what i had was a shelter i wouldn't have turned them away bc they were alcoholics. i don't understand that concept with these "christian ministries." i think this place is doing the true right thing.
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    Quote from SilentfadesRPA
    I am more for the thought in Al anon that says do not create a crisis but also do not prevent one from happening. In other words to my understanding in the disease of alcoholism one can be an enabler from the alcoholic from hitting the bottom.

    Though good intentioned I think these shelters are enabling.

    Marc
    I think the concept might have some merit. It says that the house is for late-stage alcoholics. If someone has not been able to become sober prior to that point, itís not likely they will be able to do so once cognition is diminished, and/or they begin experiencing other declines in mental status. At that point, I think you are past enabling.
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    "At that point, I think you are past enabling." - You have a very good point - But do we then medically and socially supply them with their choice of addiction - should we so the same with very addicted crack or heroin addicts ?

    I sure do not have all of the answers. I have seen some very "low bottom" drug and alcoholics get sober and turn their lives around to a remarkable level. I have also seen others die of their disease - the remarkable thing is we all have choices.

    As I said I do not know the answer sure wish I did but maybe there really is not one.

    Marc
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    i was caring for a patient and he was a CHARACTER! he was a vet and was telling me about a hospital he'd been to that gave him beer. i was like, "really? that's the kind of hospital i wanna go to!" he said they had labels on them just like they have on pill bottles.

    i come from a long line of alcoholics/drug addicts. i remember visiting my uncle and brother (who is much older than i) in rehab centers when i was a kid. now, i'm an adult and they're no better. i had a very close relationship with my brother until i let him stay at my house over the holidays because i felt bad for him, and when i came home from work he was gone and so were some of my most precious belongings. he took a video camera that had a tape of my child's first steps, first thanksgiving, first christmas, etc. it broke my heart - and i've not spoken to him since. i never knew until that day that alcoholism was THAT bad. i would expect that from a crack addict or heroin addict, but i didn't know alcohol withdrawal would do that to a person. had i known i would've gladly bought him some beer and sent him on his merry way.

    that being said - people who end up in these types of shelters literally have no other place to go. every person they know has disowned them (and probably for good reason as in my case). they have no desire to recover - nothing to "go back" to. they just want a warm place to sleep and a little bit of food.


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