Are you a fat RN? Then your insurance might go up - significantly. - page 2

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  1. Visit  kogafietsen profile page
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    Interesting how only BMI is targeted and nothing about other poor choices: smokers, boozers/substance abusers, high risk unprotected sex, extreme sports etc etc.

    This doesn't pass the smell test [BS political agendas rarely do].
    Last edit by kogafietsen on Jan 22, '13
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  2. Visit  exit96 profile page
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    Funny how everyone is cheerful when smokers are attacked. No hiring if you have nicotine in your system. Higher insurance premiums with nicotine in your blood. But now..."oh no, call off the dogs, don't pick at my vices." Well, we opened the door and made smokers fair game, did we REALLY think it would stop there?
    Hoozdo, somenurse, kogafietsen, and 1 other like this.
  3. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from kogafietsen
    Interesting how only BMI is targeted and nothing about other poor choices: smokers, boozers/substance abusers, high risk unprotected sex, extreme sports etc etc.

    This doesn't pass the smell test [BS political agendas rarely do].
    As an avid extreme sports enthusiast, lets not compare the M&M of extreme sports to obesity, they aren't in the same ball park

    I think there is something being missed in the OP: those with BMIs >30 are not being penalized, people with BMI<30 are being rewarded.
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  4. Visit  kogafietsen profile page
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    Quote from exit96
    Funny how everyone is cheerful when smokers are attacked. No hiring if you have nicotine in your system. Higher insurance premiums with nicotine in your blood. But now..."oh no, call off the dogs, don't pick at my vices." Well, we opened the door and made smokers fair game, did we REALLY think it would stop there?
    yeah that and over the last 10 years or so I've noticed repeatedly with patients that hospitals/ER's/nurses etc--seem to all want to blame all your health problems on smoking (or that you used to smoke)--it's now "cool" to be all sanctimonious about those "disgusting" smokers and their "filthy" habit (soon it will be the same for anyone heavy/fat!). No matter what you've come in for--it's because you smoke/or used to smoke
    Last edit by kogafietsen on Jan 22, '13
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  5. Visit  llg profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    As an avid extreme sports enthusiast, lets not compare the M&M of extreme sports to obesity, they aren't in the same ball park

    I think there is something being missed in the OP: those with BMIs >30 are not being penalized, people with BMI<30 are being rewarded.
    Actually, at my hospital, the people who participate in the health maintanence program don't get any "reward" compared to what they received in previous years. It's just that the people who don't participate get penalized by a $500 surcharge on the health insurance. So, what you said above is not really true at my hospital.
  6. Visit  funfunfun550 profile page
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    @llg...it's a slippery slope...what if your child has expensive medical needs...?Maybe you don't opt into the "smart choice" lunch plan in the cafeteria at work. You get remarried and your husband has a chronic disease. Insurance companies have far too long bossed everyone around . I know let's just eliminate them...we don't really need them(ok under the desk to avoid being flamed)
  7. Visit  kogafietsen profile page
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    Out of the UK today I read the BMI formula is wrong according to University of Oxford Prof Nick Trefethen et al:

    Does my BMI look big in this? - University of Oxford

    T
    o make a long article short--the new numbers will please the Tall but not the Short....
    Last edit by kogafietsen on Jan 22, '13
  8. Visit  elkpark profile page
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    Quote from funfunfun550
    Insurance companies have far too long bossed everyone around . I know let's just eliminate them...we don't really need them(ok under the desk to avoid being flamed)
    I don't think you're going to find too many folks here lining up to defend the insurance companies ...
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  9. Visit  Rose_Queen profile page
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    Quote from llg
    Actually, at my hospital, the people who participate in the health maintanence program don't get any "reward" compared to what they received in previous years. It's just that the people who don't participate get penalized by a $500 surcharge on the health insurance. So, what you said above is not really true at my hospital.
    Same at my facility. The people who participate in the health maintenance program are paying the same rate as last year. Those who didn't are paying more.
  10. Visit  subee profile page
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    Any organization that uses a BMI of 30 as a criteria is being generous. Overweight but not obese. That's a lot less of knee, hip and shoulder replacements down the road.
  11. Visit  Orange Tree profile page
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    Presumably, these fat smokers are healthy enough to do their jobs. I thought paying for other peoples misfortune was what insurance was all about.
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  12. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from lumbarpain
    I dont like this at all. what about heredity? bad habits however can be worked with at the benefit of the patient. However, I dont feel being built like a stickpin is very healthy either. I prefer to have some meat on my bones. I found that out after dropping 10 pounds in 3 days after abdomional surgery when I was younger. I weighed only 120 pounds then at 5 foot 7 inches of height. I looked horrid!!! Some additonal weight is healthy to have on yourself...maybe 5 to 10 pounds tops. anything else is just too much. You never know when your body will NEED that extra weight to live off of during a severe illness. Just my opinion of course.
    ^Agreed.
  13. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from funfunfun550
    @llg...it's a slippery slope...what if your child has expensive medical needs...?Maybe you don't opt into the "smart choice" lunch plan in the cafeteria at work. You get remarried and your husband has a chronic disease. Insurance companies have far too long bossed everyone around . I know let's just eliminate them...we don't really need them(ok under the desk to avoid being flamed)
    ^Agree funfunfun550...private insurance companies have been getting away with it for years, so anyone who has had employer insurance has not been exposed to this, except in recent years. I got dropped from my insurance when I had a major medical incident (surgery, hospitalization, home health, and DME involved) and got the preexisting scarlet letter. No flame here!

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