Americans Going Overseas for Healthcare - page 2

This is the first I have heard of it - for truly medical procedures - but I think it is pathetic that hard working Americans (like the lady in the article) are forced to look into taking a risk... Read More

  1. by   BSNtobe2009
    Oh, there is nothing wrong with drugs being manufactured outside the country...b/c they have to meet FDA regulations for testing prior to approval for their use here.

    When I say cutrate, I'm not speaking of any specific thing, I'm talking about the whole picture. You may have a doctor that was trained by the best surgeon for ______ in the USA and he goes overseas to work in whatever country...however, the hospital: what standards of sanitation do they have? regulations for care? Nurses: How are they trained and to what standard? Anesthesia...do you know what they are using or how that person is trained in another country?

    Things as simple as water...do you know where it comes from or what is in it? Blood transfusions, if required, what are the blood banks procedures for donation?

    To me, it's the big picture...not just one thing.

    Ever since I was young, I have been obsessed with reading about health and medical stories not just here, but abroad as well, and this is the conclusion I have found: You can have birth defects no matter where you live, but it seems like the really, horrible horrific birth defects that are actually amazing enough to make the news...those people are almost never from the USA. My theory: You wonder what those people have been exposed to as far as prenatal care, nutrition, medication, and again, water, or other environmental factors.

    When they show films of surgeries and things from other countries, I'm often shocked at the conditions of the OR...some of those countries don't even believe in bathing daily...so what would you think their standards of sanitation are?

    I'm not saying I'm right, but it sure makes you think about it.
  2. by   Grace Oz
    We have people from the USA coming here to AUSTRALIA all the time for cosmetic surgery. The reason being: it's cheaper AND they get to see our magnificent country! A holiday and surgery in one package.
    But most importantly.........
    We have THE BEST healthcare in the world! Bar none! We're world leaders in medical research, and our health professionals are amongst the BEST trained anywhere. Furthermore, EVERYONE in AUSTRALIA has access to healthcare in our public hospitals. We have MEDICARE whereby all taxpayers contribute from their wages into the federal government MEDICARE system. The amount you pay depends on the level of your income. NO-one is ever denied treatment in a public hospital in AUSTRALIA. If you choose to also have private health insurance, you still contribute to MEDICARE regardless. Private health insurance will provide you with admission to a private hospital and choice of your own doctor. You can elect to have 'extra's' cover for things such as dental, pharmacutical, optomitrist, physiotherapist etc, as well as hospital cover as part of your private health insurance cover. Some people choose to have 'extra's' only cover and not hospital cover, and vice versa.
  3. by   Ginger35
    Dear Hope,

    I am unable to access the link to the article. Could you send it to me as a PM or post a copy of it on this thread.

    I am someone who injured their back in the "line of duty" working as a trauma RN. Basically, my back was injured at work, I became a work comp patient and treated like crap for something that was not my fault.

    THEN

    After being told I was too young for fusion, etc - suffered for three years in chronic pain - I went to Europe for a 2 level artificial disc replacement. Good result at 50% less the cost out of MY pocket at the time.

    That was over 2+ years ago.

    Now, I am back at the bedside again and back in school again full time.

    I can see where this can be a problem for healthcare in some ways, but in other ways, I truely feel that being able to travel abroad for care benefited me.

    I could go on, but I better stop here.

    Could you post the article???

    Thanks,
    Ginger
  4. by   NursShar1
    :spin: I live in Texas, and my neighbor went to Monterray, Mexico for healthcare because her husband is self employed and they do not have insurance. She was having headaches and memory loss. The medical center turned out to be a huge university hospital and they found a brain tumor, which they successfully removed. She received excellent care and is doing quite well, but I am assuming this is not always the case. They were able to afford to pay cash for all of the hospital services, because they do not charge U.S. prices. The sad part to me is not receiving medical care in Mexico. The care is comprable to the U.S. if not better, in the large hospitals. The shame is that the U.S. hospitals still have such a huge fee schedule and there is no way the average American can afford to pay cash for surgery here. The prices are built with insurance reimbursement in mind.

    Any thoughts?
  5. by   hope3456
    The article told of a woman who had private insurance that wouldnt cover the cost of hip surgery. To pay for it herslf, it would cost well over $20k (in the U.S.). She went to india and paid just $7,000-with excellent results.

    I will try to find it. If I remember correctly, it was in 'google news.'

    i think that it goes to show what a huge mess insurance companies are making of U.S. healthcare. Something needs to be done - maybe a single payor system.
  6. by   hope3456
    Quote from Grace Oz
    We have people from the USA coming here to AUSTRALIA all the time for cosmetic surgery. The reason being: it's cheaper AND they get to see our magnificent country! A holiday and surgery in one package.
    But most importantly.........
    We have THE BEST healthcare in the world! Bar none! We're world leaders in medical research, and our health professionals are amongst the BEST trained anywhere. Furthermore, EVERYONE in AUSTRALIA has access to healthcare in our public hospitals. We have MEDICARE whereby all taxpayers contribute from their wages into the federal government MEDICARE system. The amount you pay depends on the level of your income. NO-one is ever denied treatment in a public hospital in AUSTRALIA. If you choose to also have private health insurance, you still contribute to MEDICARE regardless. Private health insurance will provide you with admission to a private hospital and choice of your own doctor. You can elect to have 'extra's' cover for things such as dental, pharmacutical, optomitrist, physiotherapist etc, as well as hospital cover as part of your private health insurance cover. Some people choose to have 'extra's' only cover and not hospital cover, and vice versa.

    Just curious, how much does the 'private ins.' cost in Australia? Is it affordable to the average person? And do you have to rely on your employer to provide it? Do most citizens have it?
  7. by   hope3456
  8. by   fiestynurse
    GraceOz states that "We have THE BEST healthcare in the world! Bar none! We're world leaders in medical research, and our health professionals are amongst the BEST trained anywhere."

    However, here are the facts:

    The Crisis of Our Current Healthcare System
  9. by   Gromit
    That site seems to think very highly of socialized healthcare. Sorry, but I'm not a fan.
    The biggest problem (and in my opinion the main reason its so expen$ive here in the US) is on the shoulders of our legal profession -lawyers. You cannot watch TV at night without some ad trying to get you to sue. Well, that adds greatly to the cost.
    My biggest problem with healthcare abroad is basically like the ones mentioned earlier by BSNtobe. I'm also wondering what recourse a dissatisfied patient has. If you have no real practical legal recourse, then you should factor that in as well. I also wish to re-iterate what was said before (what kind of regulations, and oversight do these other healthcare systems HAVE? How diligent are they? and so forth)
    Mistakes will always happen -humans are prone to error. BUT how often have you read about bogus clinics in Mexico, for instance, that were making wild claims that appeal to those in need (cures for HIV or cancer being the two top ones) when in fact they did more harm than good.
  10. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from glb1960
    I am a nurse and an India surgery pt. I had a hip resurfacing done in Coimbature, India on June 20th, this year. This procedure is avaliable in the U.S. but not covered by insurance. My cost in the U.S. would have been $85,000 and up for this procedure. I spent $5,500 plus @ $3,000 in travel to have it done in India. Everything went stellar and I would send my family members there in a heart beat. Sad, isn't it?
    What about to have a baby? I'm due in June. Would you suggest it?
  11. by   indigo girl
    Quote from fiestynurse
    GraceOz states that "We have THE BEST healthcare in the world! Bar none! We're world leaders in medical research, and our health professionals are amongst the BEST trained anywhere."

    However, here are the facts:

    The Crisis of Our Current Healthcare System
    Grace Oz is addressing the healthcare system in Australia. Your article appears to be about US healthcare.
  12. by   hope3456
    Quote from Gromit
    That site seems to think very highly of socialized healthcare. Sorry, but I'm not a fan.
    The biggest problem (and in my opinion the main reason its so expen$ive here in the US) is on the shoulders of our legal profession -lawyers. You cannot watch TV at night without some ad trying to get you to sue. Well, that adds greatly to the cost.
    My biggest problem with healthcare abroad is basically like the ones mentioned earlier by BSNtobe. I'm also wondering what recourse a dissatisfied patient has. If you have no real practical legal recourse, then you should factor that in as well. I also wish to re-iterate what was said before (what kind of regulations, and oversight do these other healthcare systems HAVE? How diligent are they? and so forth)
    Mistakes will always happen -humans are prone to error. BUT how often have you read about bogus clinics in Mexico, for instance, that were making wild claims that appeal to those in need (cures for HIV or cancer being the two top ones) when in fact they did more harm than good.


    I agree that going overseas for medical procedures is risky. The reality of the situation is that it is becoming a risk that many uninsured (working class) americans are willing to take because they simply cant afford to get the surgery here in the U.S.

    Yes, something is terribly wrong with this scenario.
    Last edit by hope3456 on Nov 30, '06
  13. by   Sheri257
    Here's my question: how do people really know they're getting excellent results? Just because I'm in the nursing field ... I don't think I would know unless I worked in that particular specialty with that particular doc.

    I need knee surgery and, I got referred out to some ortho specialist in the U.S. But I didn't know anything about him and, I know too many people who've had complications from knee surgeries. So, what did I do?

    I figured the best way to find out if this doc was any good was to ask nurses who had actually worked with him. I figured they were the only ones who would really know.

    As it turns out ... this guy really wasn't that good with knees. He's a decent doc but his talents really lie elsewhere. After getting the same recommendation for another doc from five different nurses who had worked with both of them ... I switched to the guy they recommended.

    Afterall ... it's nurses who are dealing with the post-op results day after day. They know.

    Could I check the doc out by getting on some plane and flying to India? Hell no ... way too scary for me. This is something that could jeopardize my livelihood for the rest of my life. I'm not going to take any chances with that ...

    There are good and bad docs everywhere and, certainly, India has to have their share of bad docs. But, at least in the U.S., I have a much better chance of finding out if they are bad ... and, I can also sue them if they screw up. You can't sue them in India.

    As the old saying goes ... if it's too good to be true, it probably isn't.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 30, '06

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