50,000 visas for foreign nurses! Is this really a good thing for us Americans? - page 9

I just read about these new immigration laws passed in the senate and I'm wondering what the changes will mean for us Americans as far as finding and keeping a job goes. I don't have anything... Read More

  1. by   Tweety
    Quote from jeriz
    When we think of what is good for our patient, we cross between boundaries. The shortage of nurses is a big concern. I don't think there is a cause for concern as 50,000 is not enough to address the shortage. If Americans are threatened by the presence of foreign nurses, i think they can work hand in hand to improve patient care.

    I'm glad you're so concerned about our shortage and the care our patients get. Here I was thinking all along it was about coming over for a better life and money for yourself and your family.

    (I'm not threatened. And gladly work hand-in-hand with my coworkers of all nationalities to improve patient care.)
  2. by   jenspec
    I know that the nursing shortage has been going on for many years in the United States. Nursing profession is not a very glamorous job it takes a lot of hard work and patience. I myself is taking years before i can even make it out there, I am a nurse here in the Philippines already on my last stage of immigration process when the retrogression set in. i have every requirement ready and i'm still here so my patience is really being challenge here. I guess a lot of us nurses here in the Philippines and the rest of the countries stricken by the retrogression is getting impatient simply because of the job situation in our country, who wouldn't dream of making it out there when you're only earning as low as $120 in a month. Please dont get me wrong that we would grab any opportunity even the lowest salary offered in the US would be fine, that the migration of nurses from third world countries cause such setback on nursing situation in the US, that's what I've been reading on previous posts here. We are just individuals trying to live and attain a level of security in life just like the rest of the nurses in the US. Being able to pass all the hurdles from securing a license and settling in to live there is not just a walk in the park. But of course once we are settled there we are sure that we will work so hard in uplifting the profession that gives us the means to live. 50,000 visas for nurses is not big enough to answer the nursing shortage there, i know this bill would only give a bandage solution to the problem. I think there is a lot of political issues in the US and dealing with nursing shortage is not being given that much of a priority the same thing here in our country but in a lot worst situation because we are in the third world. Has there ever been a politician who is a nurse and works for the upliftment of nursing profession? We nurses need to work together not bite each other, we are all in the same thing, you wouldn't want to push someone out of the boat to let them drown. We need empowerment.
  3. by   Tweety
    [QUOTE=fergus51]
    Quote from Tweety

    We don't hire foreigners who haven't passed the NCLEX (whether they be from the Philippines or Canada or the UK or wherever). The only people we hire without the NCLEX are American new grads. I think your being willing to take all new grads over nurses with experience who are foreign probably has to do with your clinical area as well. American new grads have all had a fair amount of experience in med-surg in school. Most have had little to no experience in the NICU. Their orientation is MUCH longer than a foreign nurse who has experience in our unit. New grads aren't able to function in every part of our unit for at least 18 months. Foreigners with experience have their orientation to the sickest babies complete within about 3 months. There is a HUGE difference. I would NOT want my critically ill infant to be in a room with all new grad RNs just because of politics. It isn't safe. I am all for training new grads and our unit trains A LOT of them, but not at the expense of patient safety. That's why I am not in favor of a blanket rule forcing employers to hire inexperienced (unqualified) Americans over experienced (qualified) foreigners. Employers do need some flexibility. Like it or not, experience is an important thing.
    I understand.

    (Hopefully, in your unit there won't ever be a time where there's such an exodus of experience that you are in a shortage of that magnitude where a room full or new grads (a bad situation in any specialty, including med-surg) or foreign trained nurse with experience are the only options.)
    Last edit by Tweety on May 9, '05
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from sunnyjohn
    Ah, looks like this horse still had life in her!!!
    Controversial issues usually reservice from time to time. I guess though I've said enough. :hatparty:
  5. by   jenspec
    I think that as a nurse with only a few years of experience in the profession there is really something wrong with the way nurses work together. Why do nurses bite each others' back? Why can't we see fellow nurses either be a new grad or a foreign nurse with the same level of respect? The other professions like engineering, doctors, teachers and lawyers shows a great respect on each other but nurses. Think about the hard work every single nurses went through just to become licensed. We are all the same We give care and concern to a lot of people but among us there seem to be none. Try to figure it out, give any individual nurse to prove their capability for whatever race or whereever country they came from, and surely they will.
  6. by   madwife2002
    Quote from steelcityrn
    I am confused as to why a U.S. nurse would want to see foreign nurses here? This is of no benefit to the american nurse, only to the hospitals themselves who do not want to address the reasons why nurses are leaving hospital work. I am not for foreign nurses here at all, especially after 911. We need to provide hospital nurses better working conditions and pay. In this day and age with all we know, why would a person still be asked to work 2 or 3 differemt shifts in one week? Why would a hospital pay a new grad a sign on bonus, while a nurse working with years of experience gets nothing for retention. Placing new grads on a o.r or icu, just not a good idea. Used to be there was the same faces on these units, why are they not there anymore?? Bringing in foreign nurses is a terrible idea.

    I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. by   fergus51
    [QUOTE=Tweety]
    Quote from fergus51

    I understand.

    (Hopefully, in your unit there won't ever be a time where there's such an exodus of experience that you are in a shortage of that magnitude where a room full or new grads (a bad situation in any specialty, including med-surg) or foreign trained nurse with experience are the only options.
    You'd be surprised some nights. I was in one room the other night with only one other regular staff member (she's a new grad), three floats (all new grads) and six travelers (all with experience). I was not happy. There were more than a few incidents that would have been avoided with more regular experienced staff. I was the closest thing they had to a foreigner in the room though, so I don't know why I'm bringing it up here :chuckle It's pretty sad when a Canadian-American is exotic :chuckle
  8. by   madwife2002
    [QUOTE=fergus51]
    Quote from Tweety

    You'd be surprised some nights. I was in one room the other night with only one other regular staff member (she's a new grad), three floats (all new grads) and six travelers (all with experience). I was not happy. There were more than a few incidents that would have been avoided with more regular experienced staff. I was the closest thing they had to a foreigner in the room though, so I don't know why I'm bringing it up here :chuckle It's pretty sad when a Canadian-American is exotic :chuckle

    Hey we have problems when we have no regular staff due to sickness ect and we have agency staff who have never ever stepped foot on our ward in their life. And they are all from UK. They havent a clue, yet they were trained here, speak perfect english and are all qualified nurses. :chuckle
  9. by   ehrharba
    This is not a new concept. It has been done before and as with all nursing. Some of these nurses are exceptional and some barely cope. The nursing shortage is expected to continue for many years. these nurses will help provide care. In Ohio we do not have any 'tight' labor areas.
    QUOTE=Tony35NYC]I just read about these new immigration laws passed in the senate and I'm wondering what the changes will mean for us Americans as far as finding and keeping a job goes. I don't have anything against foreign nurses, but can we seriously be civil if we find ourselves competing against them for jobs in areas where the labor market for nurses is tight? I mean, 50,000 is not a small number.

    According to one senator's spokesperson (who evidently doesn't have a clue about what's really behind the nursing "shortage"): "The shortage our hospitals are facing is coming close to epidemic proportions," said Chris Paulitz, spokesman for Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas. "Americans are not getting the health care they deserve but are dependent on. We limited this to 50,000 existing visas not being used to be used for nurses."

    The article contains a lot of other unrelated political stuff, but if anyone cares to read it, here it is.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050504/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl[/QUOTE]
  10. by   Tweety
    Quote from madwife2002
    I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Keep it in perspective Kay, please. This one opinion does not rest your case. The ideas expressed in that post have not been echoed over and over in this thread.

    Be realistic that there are people that feel that way, but most of us don't think about you much at all, we're too busy doing our own thing. Don't expect us to bow down in gratitude that there are foreign workers helping us out. But for the most part, you'll find us to be a pretty friendly lot once you get yourself here.

    But I'm repeating myself. If you want to believe that is the general opinion here, then go ahead. When you get here, I guarantee you're going to attrack more attention with your accent that the fact you're a "foreign nurse causing the nursing shortage". You'll get so tired of "I love your accent! Where are you from!" "Is that a Britishish accent, where are you from". Yanks love a British accent.
    Last edit by Tweety on May 10, '05
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from jeriz
    I don't think there is a cause for concern as 50,000 is not enough to address the shortage.
    50,000 wouldn't even make a dent in California's shortage. Estimates of the shortage in this state alone range from 45,000 to 110,000 vacancies in the next five years.

  12. by   madwife2002
    Quote from Tweety
    Keep it in perspective Kay, please. This one opinion does not rest your case. The ideas expressed in that post have not been echoed over and over in this thread.

    Be realistic that there are people that feel that way, but most of us don't think about you much at all, we're too busy doing our own thing. Don't expect us to bow down in gratitude that there are foreign workers helping us out. But for the most part, you'll find us to be a pretty friendly lot once you get yourself here.

    But I'm repeating myself. If you want to believe that is the general opinion here, then go ahead. When you get here, I guarantee you're going to attrack more attention with your accent that the fact you're a "foreign nurse causing the nursing shortage". You'll get so tired of "I love your accent! Where are you from!" "Is that a Britishish accent, where are you from". Yanks love a British accent.
    I'll consider myself told off lol :chuckle

    I just had to comment couldn't resist. :chuckle
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    NO one is telling anyone else off. I just wish this emotional issue could be discussed reasonably without people jumping to take offense at the first thing we can find. There is validity to our concerns about mass-recruiting of nurses from other countries ---that does not mean we "hate foreigners" here in the USA. Please READ THE ENTIRE POST before biting back!

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