50,000 visas for foreign nurses! Is this really a good thing for us Americans? - page 15

I just read about these new immigration laws passed in the senate and I'm wondering what the changes will mean for us Americans as far as finding and keeping a job goes. I don't have anything... Read More

  1. by   desperado8156
    I very much agree that it is the dollar that comes out on top every time. I think the nurses that come over here from the phils are mostly the best because of the exam they have to pass, ( stringent process) but lets face it the agencies only get paid if they deliver the bodies. I know of one that altered the exp date on her lis and she was barred forever from taking the test, but no nurses, no payment

    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Because of politics. Those recruiting overseas have ZERO interest in improving staffing, safety and other conditions in our facilities. It's all about saving the almighty$ to line their pockets----and those of the politician in said pockets. The American WAY!!!! :angryfire

    The "need" is not going to be truly addressed in our rural and other needy areas. That is not the intent!

    "Need" is not the motivating factor, or else we would not be taking nursing from other 'needy" areas/countries to take care of our "need" here.
  2. by   desperado8156
    Guess we need stronger unions haha

    Quote from tencat
    It really doesn't matter if foreign nurses are paid the same. I imagine most often they would work for less, which keeps the wages low for everyone. If they agreed to come here but demanded more money and better working conditions, I'd bet the program would disappear in a hurry. As has been said, it's all about saving the institutions money, not about care for patients or easing of shortages. It's like the outsourcing of factory jobs. Why pay minimum wage to U.S. workers when there are workers in Mexico who will work for $1.00 an hour? I know some Philipino nurses, and they are very good at what they do. But I think that bringing in thousands of people from other countries to provide 'cheaper' labor for wealthy corporations does hurt workers in this country, no matter what the job is. JMHO.
  3. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from tencat
    It really doesn't matter if foreign nurses are paid the same. I imagine most often they would work for less, which keeps the wages low for everyone. If they agreed to come here but demanded more money and better working conditions, I'd bet the program would disappear in a hurry. As has been said, it's all about saving the institutions money, not about care for patients or easing of shortages. It's like the outsourcing of factory jobs. Why pay minimum wage to U.S. workers when there are workers in Mexico who will work for $1.00 an hour? I know some Philipino nurses, and they are very good at what they do. But I think that bringing in thousands of people from other countries to provide 'cheaper' labor for wealthy corporations does hurt workers in this country, no matter what the job is. JMHO.

    Thank you so much for the post, this is exactly what I meant back in May or so....when this thread started (not sure how it got here)......anyhow, I agree.
  4. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from desperado8156
    filipino nurses are hard working and dedicated. I'm NOT one, but I know many of them.

    they want the same as you and me,,, a job and pay. It isn't their fault that americans want too much, it is our fault. When you point a finger at someone else,, three other fingers on that hand point at you
    "Don't fear them, work alongside them"
    Not sure what you are trying to pull or start desperado but let me kindly remind you that this thread was already 3 months old, packed, and shipped.

    About your comment (which is startling), I can see your point about the Filipino nurses being hardworking and dedicated and wanting the same as you and me etc.....but guess what? With all due respect, maybe they and other countries should fight endlessly for better working conditions and pay etc....so there wouldn't be a need for them to even come here looking for that. Nurses here have fought, and will continue to do so.

    I can see where a mutual agreement can be established in offering some visa's with the exchange of their hard-work in this time of need, but your point and that of others are very different.

    Lastly, how dare you say that "it is our fault that we want too much". Let me tell you something. The "American Dream" in part (or to most) is all about wanting wanting more. Typically meaning that each subsequent generation will be able to acquire more that the preceding generations.
  5. by   desperado8156
    hey everyone, do you really think the beancounters sit around and think about how comfy the nurses are, or the patients for that matter. unless the patients gripe about service, the accountants aren't concerned. they only see the colors green and red. one is good (money) and one isn't (the bottem line). they don't care about the individual nurse that is so overworked that her family life suffers, or the nurse moves on to another position, which sometimes means starting on the bottom of the ladder again. management welcomes turnover, new employees start at or near, the bottom for wages, time off etc.
    somebody get me a beer


    Quote from jessicagmz
    thank you so much for the post, this is exactly what i meant back in may or so....when this thread started (not sure how it got here)......anyhow, i agree.
  6. by   desperado8156
    hey jess, chill out a little, take a trip to some third world countries and take a look around. Ive been to most of them , work for $6 a day, and it costs the same there to party as it does here, with 2 hour commute times on a hot unaircon bus, then give me a call ok :hatparty:


    Quote from JessicaGmz
    Not sure what you are trying to pull or start desperado but let me kindly remind you that this thread was already 3 months old, packed, and shipped.

    About your comment (which is startling), I can see your point about the Filipino nurses being hardworking and dedicated and wanting the same as you and me etc.....but guess what? With all due respect, maybe they and other countries should fight endlessly for better working conditions and pay etc....so there wouldn't be a need for them to even come here looking for that. Nurses here have fought, and will continue to do so.

    I can see where a mutual agreement can be established in offering some visa's with the exchange of their hard-work in this time of need, but your point and that of others are very different.

    Lastly, how dare you say that "it is our fault that we want too much". Let me tell you something. The "American Dream" in part (or to most) is all about wanting wanting more. Typically meaning that each subsequent generation will be able to acquire more that the preceding generations.
  7. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from desperado8156
    hey everyone, do you really think the beancounters sit around and think about how comfy the nurses are, or the patients for that matter. unless the patients gripe about service, the accountants aren't concerned. they only see the colors green and red. one is good (money) and one isn't (the bottem line). they don't care about the individual nurse that is so overworked that her family life suffers, or the nurse moves on to another position, which sometimes means starting on the bottom of the ladder again. management welcomes turnover, new employees start at or near, the bottom for wages, time off etc.
    somebody get me a beer
    sorry if i offend you by this (couldn't resist)......but you seem to be a very dissatisfied worker. are you too lowly compensated for what you do? or are you just to sour and pittyful that you think you could come here and try to anger the nurses?

    anyhow, take care and maybe a change in career will come more handy to you than the beer
  8. by   sunnyjohn
    The idea of the "American Dream" is not exclusive to America. The United States has just done (over the last few hundred years) the best job of providing the opportunity to so many people of varied cultures.

    Ask any person anywhere in the world what they want out of life. Ask any parent in Asia, Europe, Africa or Latin America what they want for their children. You will get the same response.

    I only wish the American Dream was less about "wants" and more about personal "achievement"; less measured by personal possessions and more focused on personal development. I call our current mentality, "THE NEW AMERICAN DREAM."

    I am pro-nurse, pro student or pro-anybody who is willing to work their butt off to reach their dream.
    Last edit by sunnyjohn on Aug 18, '05
  9. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from desperado8156
    hey jess, chill out a little, take a trip to some third world countries and take a look around. Ive been to most of them , work for $6 a day, and it costs the same there to party as it does here, with 2 hour commute times on a hot unaircon bus, then give me a call ok :hatparty:
    Been to many myself so thanks for the offer.


    Glad to know you have been to most of them.....ever considered staying in one them? :stone
    Last edit by Jessy_RN on Aug 18, '05
  10. by   desperado8156
    hey life is good, very satisfied, and so is the pay, I just want a fair shake for the hard working nurses i see all the time, wherever they come from. By the way you sound like you are from maybe the northeast where its so COLD. Sorry if I offend you by this...


    Quote from JessicaGmz
    Sorry if I offend you by this (couldn't resist)......but you seem to be a very dissatisfied worker. Are you too lowly compensated for what you do? Or are you just to sour and pittyful that you think you could come here and try to anger the nurses?

    Anyhow, take care and maybe a change in career will come more handy to you than the beer
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    REMINDER:

    Please keep the focus on the Original Topic, and NOT each other.

    Further deviation from the Original Topic will make it necessary to close the thread.

    Thank you for understanding.
  12. by   nursery
    Wow!!!
    What animosity!!!You complain about
    Nursing shortage and how stretched you are
    You leave your profession to get a job with a better pay
    You move on after 15 years as R.N to seek other professions
    YET
    you protest when your government makes an effort to full
    in some of the 150,000 void you are causing;
    to assist your soo....stretched staff.
    Don't you get it? There are advantages and disadvantages to every situation. As I see it, the advantages of Foreign Nurses coming to your workplaces far outweigh the setbacks you face working with them. Soon they become
    your mentors for they are dedicated in what they do!!
    So far I have seen nothing but degrading comments towards the Foreign Nurses who leave their garden of Eden to assist your people. You talk of help to get DMV etc,
    What is wrong about helping them get started?
    More Foreign Nurses should read these hurtful remarks.
    Those who still think about coming to America should
    brace themselves towards your hostility.
    SHAME on your DREADFUL REFERENCE to FOREIGN NURSES.
    Quote from Proud to an LPN
    I work for a nationwide company that has facilities all over the US and PR..our corp HR people actually go to India and recruit their nurses, they then pay them for relocating, pay for (and their family)airfare and first year of housing once they come here even get them furniture and items they need for daily living..Help them obtain not only a prof lisence but get them to the DMV to learn how to drive ( yet in this country we have so many homeless people because they can not get hired anywhere, but do we give them a hands up..noooooo) They get healthcare and perscriptions, as do their families..
    I can not even begin to count how many med errors I have corrected because of the language barrier, or listened to MD's totally flip out because they can not understand the nurses when they call.. WHen we get an admission on our shift, we have two MDs that will only verify their orders IF an American Nurse calls them in..Due to so many errors that have been made.
    Not only are patients suffering because of some of these nurses, but our country is also suffering !!!!!
    The bigger Corps are spending ALOT of money to bring these nurses over,,,I guess they just don't get it,,,if they put the same amount of time and money into our pockets, things would be awhole lot better for their facilities...
    Sad isn't it......
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    OK---- well that is a wrap. Since we can't seem to focus on the topic itself, and refrain from personal attacks the thread is now closed.

    Thanks for the thoughtful discourse. And best wishes to all nurses, international and native, alike, in the USA. It seems to me, unity among nurses across the nation, is more critical now than ever before.

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