50,000 visas for foreign nurses! Is this really a good thing for us Americans? - page 12

I just read about these new immigration laws passed in the senate and I'm wondering what the changes will mean for us Americans as far as finding and keeping a job goes. I don't have anything... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    from your lips........
    Meaning ... ?

  2. by   suzanne4
    The hospitals are still paying the same rate to the agencies, it is the agencies that are unscrupulous that are adding all sorts of fees to be taken out of what the nurse would be paid..............

    Simple example, why should a nurse be paid $17.50 for working in LA, when they are paying their rent, food, etc. from their own pocket? The other monies are going to the agency........

    This is what I am the most unhappy with and concerned about. The hospitals aren't getting cheap labor, some of the agencies are just exploiting everyone.
  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from lizz
    Meaning ... ?

    meaning, I hope you are right. I hope the situation at UV is not going to be common. That the ability and right of all nurses to move about as needed to find what works for them is preserved. And that a fair wage will be paid all for equal work. And, that hospitals and agencies will not be allowed to use unethical and questionable practices to lure and abuse nurses who do come to work in the USA And that where there ARE qualified USA citizens who apply for work, they are given first consideration, and not bypassed for cheaper labor from any place else.
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from suzanne4
    The hospitals are still paying the same rate to the agencies, it is the agencies that are unscrupulous that are adding all sorts of fees to be taken out of what the nurse would be paid..............

    Simple example, why should a nurse be paid $17.50 for working in LA, when they are paying their rent, food, etc. from their own pocket? The other monies are going to the agency........

    This is what I am the most unhappy with and concerned about. The hospitals aren't getting cheap labor, some of the agencies are just exploiting everyone.
    I agree, Suzanne ---huge concern. thank you for continuing to educate and shine a light on the issues.
  5. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I agree, Suzanne ---huge concern. thank you for continuing to educate and shine a light on the issues.
    Good info, but I am more concerned about Roxanne's post...as what she has described is what I have seen in Texas.

    These foreign ESL nurses come in waves, generally live together and carpool together and get a huge block of the schedule together, effectively controlling it. They help each other out, but nobody else. They don't say no to OT (in fact many work like slaves, controlling ALL the OT to their group) Many are extremely subservient. Many become management pawns and suckups, fearing they will be sent back.

    In a nutshell, they are just what management wants...which undermines the hard work of US nurses in improving our workplace. IMHO.
    Last edit by mattsmom81 on May 11, '05
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from mattsmom81
    Good info, but I am more concerned about Roxanne's post...as what she has described is what I have seen in Texas.

    These foreign ESL nurses come in waves, generally live together and carpool together and get a huge block of the schedule together, effectively controlling it. They help each other out, but nobody else. They don't say no to OT (in fact many work like slaves, controlling ALL the OT to their group) Many are extremely subservient. Many become management pawns and suckups, fearing they will be sent back.

    In a nutshell, they are just what management wants...which undermines the hard work of US nurses in improving our workplace. IMHO.
    I don't doubt this one bit. I think the whole issue is troubling as well as complicated.
  7. by   fergus51
    The nurses we have like that are all travellers from a certain geographical area in the US. Some of them do 80+ hours of work in a week quite happily. I think it's dangerous.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from fergus51
    The nurses we have like that are all travellers from a certain geographical area in the US. Some of them do 80+ hours of work in a week quite happily. I think it's dangerous.
    I do, too! :angryfire
  9. by   suzanne4
    Quote from mattsmom81
    Good info, but I am more concerned about Roxanne's post...as what she has described is what I have seen in Texas.

    These foreign ESL nurses come in waves, generally live together and carpool together and get a huge block of the schedule together, effectively controlling it. They help each other out, but nobody else. They don't say no to OT (in fact many work like slaves, controlling ALL the OT to their group) Many are extremely subservient. Many become management pawns and suckups, fearing they will be sent back.

    In a nutshell, they are just what management wants...which undermines the hard work of US nurses in improving our workplace. IMHO.
    If they were on a temporary work visa, then they could be sent back at any time. Completely at hospital's or agency's mercy.........

    With a green card, they are their own boss...........they have permanent residency and would not have to leave. Plus then they are guarnated the same salaries as US citizens....
  10. by   madwife2002
    Is the Shortage of Hospital Registered Nurses Getting Better or Worse? Findings from Two Recent National Surveys of RNs

    Peter I. Buerhaus; Karen Donelan; Beth T. Ulrich; Linda Norman; Robert Dittus

    www.medscape.com/viewarticle/502805?src=mp

    This makes very interesting reading.
  11. by   Rep
    President Bush has just signed the REAL ID ACT which included an aproppriation bill for visas for nurses, pts and their dependents. The 50,000 visas that we were talking about. He signed it on May 12, 2005.

    This is now a law and by July, all those affected by the retrogression can have their visas already. That means around 10,000 nurses and their dependents will become green card holders. I hope I will be included in those numbers.
  12. by   einhander
    [QUOTE=Tony35NYC]I just read about these new immigration laws passed in the senate and I'm wondering what the changes will mean for us Americans as far as finding and keeping a job goes. I don't have anything against foreign nurses, but can we seriously be civil if we find ourselves competing against them for jobs in areas where the labor market for nurses is tight? I mean, 50,000 is not a small number.

    According to one senator's spokesperson (who evidently doesn't have a clue about what's really behind the nursing "shortage"): "The shortage our hospitals are facing is coming close to epidemic proportions," said Chris Paulitz, spokesman for Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas. "Americans are not getting the health care they deserve but are dependent on. We limited this to 50,000 existing visas not being used to be used for nurses."

    The article contains a lot of other unrelated political stuff, but if anyone cares to read it, here it is.






    With all respect you don't know nothing about the shortage nurse problem in United States,only inside the US have a deficit of 250,000 nurses,that's means that 50,000 is nothing comparate with the problem that we have,also the ratio patiente will be reduce to 5 for each patiente,so is a big problem,because the quality of the attention of the patientes is the other problem that the hospitals have now,in other hands the american nurses don't want to make extra shifts because is to much work and they are too tired to make extra shifts.............so investigate what is going on an then talk............because actually you don't have any idea what is the real problem ..............einhander.....................
  13. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Rep
    President Bush has just signed the REAL ID ACT which included an aproppriation bill for visas for nurses, pts and their dependents. The 50,000 visas that we were talking about. He signed it on May 12, 2005.

    This is now a law and by July, all those affected by the retrogression can have their visas already. That means around 10,000 nurses and their dependents will become green card holders. I hope I will be included in those numbers.

    Unfortunately, that number is not going to clear up the retrogression. There are many more than the 10,000 who are waiting..............Those that are forward in the line will be those whose applications are in the final stages like yours.. This also will not clear up things immediately. Immigration still needs to put a protocol in place as to how they are going to handle this......
    This 50,000 is in addition to what is allowed per year, so it will help........but it is not a real fix. Nothing has been stated about the date at all as of yet.

    Remember that this number is for three very large countries.........

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