3/4/05: Judge backs California nurses over staffing - page 5

los angeles times, march 4, 2005 judge backs california nurses over staffing gov. arnold schwarzenegger had no authority to suspend a new law requiring more nurses at california hospitals and... Read More

  1. by   kid80
    The Abc Of The Nursing Shortage Is Import Fast //later On U Can Think About Why And How Of It//dont Let The Pt Become More Serious//india China And Phill Have A Glut Of Good Nurses// It Would Be Mutually Symbiotic //the Visas Recapture Bill Is Not Actually Increasing The Visas Allowed As Perlaw But Only Correcting A Bureucratic Lapse//actually Visas Should Not Lapse And Should Be Carried Forward//so The Problem Is Bad Law Accentuated By Sluggish And Then Overfast Reactions From Uscis//the Visas That Should Have Been Issued In 01,02.03.04 Have Been Dumped In Front Of Us In 2005//classically Democracies Thrive On Letting Crises Develop And When A Hue And Cry Is Raised The Problem Is Solved To Get Kudos//think Of That Single Pt Who Is Dying //think Of Him Her As Yours //he Cant Wait
  2. by   kid80
    Talking Of Suicidal Ideation Or Similar The Ratios Are 1 To 1 //does America Want Quantity Or Quality//
  3. by   begalli
    kid80-

    Your posts are near impossible to read because the first letter of every word is capitalized and the punctuation is non-existent. I personally give up after straining my eyes through the first line of your posts.

    A hint - your posts would carry much more weight and make much more sense if they were readable.
  4. by   kid80
    Quote from begalli
    kid80-

    Your posts are near impossible to read because the first letter of every word is capitalized and the punctuation is non-existent. I personally give up after straining my eyes through the first line of your posts.

    A hint - your posts would carry much more weight and make much more sense if they were readable.
    TRY HARDER //THEY ARE NOT AS DIFFICULT AS U MAKE THEM OUT//IF U DISAGREE WITH THE CONTENTS I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO DIFFER//
  5. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from kid80
    TRY HARDER //THEY ARE NOT AS DIFFICULT AS U MAKE THEM OUT//IF U DISAGREE WITH THE CONTENTS I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO DIFFER//
    It has nothing to do with disagreeing with the contents. It has to do understanding the posts, because of the way that they are written.

    On a Bulletin Board for professional nurses, you may find that opinions are taking more seriously when they are coherently written, with appropriate punctuation and standard spelling. When you are speaking to professionals, you should use professional communication.

    And before someone hops in with the "nurses eating" phrase, no one is expecting the Ivy League here. But using very basic grammar should be expected of nurses and those that are trying to communicate with them.

    PS. kid80...Usage of all capital letters in a post is considered "shouting" and is considered as rude as if you were continually shout in a group conversation. As you may note, others are not using all capitals for that reason.
  6. by   mdfog10
    I agree. Please turn off the capitals , use punctuation and everyone will be happy to read your opinion.
    thank you.
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from kid80
    TRY HARDER //THEY ARE NOT AS DIFFICULT AS U MAKE THEM OUT//IF U DISAGREE WITH THE CONTENTS I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO DIFFER//

    No one is asking for perfection in the grammar department, but when there is NO punctuation, it really IS hard to read, and can differ someone away from the possibility of good input.
  8. by   begalli
    Quote from mdfog10
    ...use punctuation and everyone will be happy to read your opinion.
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    No one is asking for perfection in the grammar department, but when there is NO punctuation, it really IS hard to read, and can differ someone away from the possibility of good input.
    Quote from caroladybelle
    On a Bulletin Board for professional nurses, you may find that opinions are taking more seriously when they are coherently written, with appropriate punctuation and standard spelling. When you are speaking to professionals, you should use professional communication.
    kid80 - My comment wasn't to attack or minimize your opinion. Don't stop posting, but please try to understand what is being communicated to you here.
  9. by   kid80
    if the greatest democracy on this planet does not address its own problems ,it is a very sad state of affairs,if you need the workers find a way to get them in,if the system is as you say it is i can only express my sorrow to the whole world, because like it or not the world is being led by the united states,in the end i continue to see the glass as half full and not half empty,bye, regards, apologies .(see no capitals ,) have a nice day,
  10. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from kid80
    if the greatest democracy on this planet does not address its own problems ,it is a very sad state of affairs,if you need the workers find a way to get them in,if the system is as you say it is i can only express my sorrow to the whole world, because like it or not the world is being led by the united states,in the end i continue to see the glass as half full and not half empty,bye, regards, apologies .(see no capitals ,) have a nice day,
    If I understand correctly I agree.
    It is a shame that nursing care and all healthcare in this wealthy country is so often unavailable or unsafe.

    I think most people assume hospitals are always ready to care for them with appropriate staff and equipment.
    When they either don't get safe appropriate care OR when they percieve they are not cared for as they should be people often blame the individual not the system. Usually in hospitals it is the nurse who gets the blame. The very person who IS there.

    But we cannot be there when needed because other patients need us too.

    People need to be afraid so they can do something. Insist on increasing enrollment in nursing schools, making it easier for qualified nurses to work here, staffing to the needs of patients not profits, and ensuring access to care for everyone.

    Just my $0.02
  11. by   begalli
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    Last edit by begalli on Mar 24, '05
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    http://www.calhealth.org/

    http://www.calhealth.org/public/pres...se%2031605.pdf

    CHA Files Appeal Seeking to Overturn Nurse-Ratio Ruling

    CHA has filed an appeal seeking to overturn a recent ruling by the Sacramento County Superior Court that invalidated modifications to California's nurse-to-patient ratio regulations. CHA also has asked the court to immediately stay the lower court's ruling during the appeals process

    CHA provides leadership in health policy and advocacy on behalf of California hospitals and health systems.
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    you can click the link to find out what you can do.

    http://www.calnurse.org/?action=content&id=768

    ca. hospital assoc. deceptive tv attack ads against cna and safe patient ratios

    $6 million in healthcare dollars wasted on ads...


    ...the california hospital association (cha), the lobbying arm of the state's hospital industry is airing a deceptive two 15-second tv ads blaming hospital closures on cna's safe patient ratios. they say that a "dire nurse shortage" is limiting access to care for patients across california. the ads are airing from march 19 to april 4 on all major network affiliates and cable stations in sacramento, the bay area, los angeles and san diego.

    nothing could be further from the truth:

    nurses and the ratio law are not the cause of hospital closure

    >50 hospitals were closed in california between1990 and 2000, long predating the ratio law.

    >virtually all the hospitals closed this year had reported years of financial losses. the university of california's petris center's january, 2001 report, "california's
    closed hospitals," found that most of the california hospitals closed in the 1990s had for years reported declining finances.

    >gov. schwarzenegger had an opportunity this september to take meaningful action on hospital closures. instead, he vetoed a bill, ab 2874 (diaz) that would have provided and required more public notice prior to closures.

    there are adequate numbers rns to staff hospitals according to the ratios
    >the number of actively licensed rns in california increased by more than 48,000...quot;a 20% gain...quot;following enactment of the staffing ratio law, from 246,068 (as of june 30, 1999) to 294,362 (as of october 30, 2004) on the eve of the governor's emergency order overturning key portions of the law.(board of registered nursing data).

    >since the law was signed, the increase in the number of actively licensed rns in california is nearly seven times more than the total number state health officials said would be needed for the ratios at 1:5 for general medical units.

    >a sharp reversal in the trend of rns entering and leaving california. in 1995-1996, 4,168 more rns left the state than those who entered from out-of-state. in the first eight months of fiscal year 2003-2004, for instance, the brn projected a net gain of 1,492 rns.

    >big gains in the number of new graduate and foreign trained applicants who take and pass the rn exam and become new licensees each year in california, for example, 9,197 just in fiscal year 2002-2003.

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