3/4/05: Judge backs California nurses over staffing - page 4

los angeles times, march 4, 2005 judge backs california nurses over staffing gov. arnold schwarzenegger had no authority to suspend a new law requiring more nurses at california hospitals and... Read More

  1. by   begalli
    Quote from kid80
    Instead Of 126000 There Is Now Shortage Of 150000 //must Get Overseas Nurses In Fast //one Life Criminally Lost Because Of Delay Would Be Equal To Murder//hope Sanity Prevails And Things As Far As Visas Recapture Or Any Other Solution Are Fast
    WHAT?!
  2. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from kid80
    Instead Of 126000 There Is Now Shortage Of 150000 //must Get Overseas Nurses In Fast //one Life Criminally Lost Because Of Delay Would Be Equal To Murder//hope Sanity Prevails And Things As Far As Visas Recapture Or Any Other Solution Are Fast
    May I recommend a copy of "Eats Shoots And Leaves"????

    You might find it quite helpful.
  3. by   NJSRN64
    Quote from ChrisA
    Austria?
    oh yea,, ARNOLD go back to acting!!! leave us nurses alone!!!
  4. by   Mike Kirchubel
    Quote from begalli
    WHAT?!
    150,000 shortage is off by at least a factor of ten. The California Board of Registered Nursing gave me the following numbers: From 1990 to 1995, the number of active registered nurses in California grew at a rate of less than 2,000 per year. From 1995 to 2000, that rate grew at about 3,000 per year. The ratio law passed in 1999 and Clifornia hospitals have been gearing-up ever since. From June 2000 to June 2004, (the Board's statistical year) the rate of active registered nurses in California grew at 10,000 per year. From June through December 2004, that rate of increase was over 1,000 per month.

    The hospital lobby created this nursing shortage by cutting registered nurses at the bedside. They made the job so difficult that many quit nursing and found other types of employment, got injured, or retired early. The ratio law is working miracles for California. We must give it a chance to work. We certainly can't rely on the hospital lobby or their hired-gun governor to stick up for patient safety or nurses. Nurses must stick together and back this law. We are all advocates for patient care and this will save lives.

    Mike Kirchubel, RN
  5. by   Sheri257
    Quote from micu_4m
    CA is not the only state with such legislation.
    Uh ... what other state besides Cali has a ratio law ??????

    Surely that would have been posted here somewhere ?????

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Mar 16, '05
  6. by   begalli
    Quote from Mike Kirchubel
    Nurses must stick together and back this law. We are all advocates for patient care and this will save lives.

    Mike Kirchubel, RN
    Couldn't agree with you more Mike, and believe me, I'm keeping up with all of this. I'm a CA nurse. See my posts all over this message board.

    My "WHAT?!?" was in response to a post that didn't make an ounce of sense to me.

    I appreciate your thoughtful intelligent posts and your editorials, Mike!
    Last edit by begalli on Mar 16, '05
  7. by   begalli
    Quote from lizz
    Uh ... what other state besides Cali has a ratio law ??????
    No other state has ratios written into law but many states do have legislation written and being tossed around regarding ratios, just nothing has actually passed. I think for the most part, this is going on in a few east coaat states.
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from fergus51
    If the nurses in HI didn't want CNA coming in, they got their way. I'm sorry it offended you, but I don't see any reason for people to stay angry about it or resent CNA's success. What other state has mandatory ratios legislated like California? Like I said, if you can get that done for me, I'll be sure to chanel my money to you. I care about results and CNA got them. People who don't want to be members don't have to be, but I am happy to be one.
    It does seem like some people resent CNA's success. Good Lord ... what else can you ask for ...

    They get the bill passed. They successfully fought off not one but two court challenges.

    And this thing with Schwarzenegger has mobilized nurses all over the country ....

    Now everybody's jumping on the bandwagon, even the media. The ratio issue is now getting national attention because of CNA. They can run all the ads they want in the NY Times as far as I'm concerned ...

    How is this a bad thing? Maybe those ratio bills that have been defeated in the past year will have a better chance of success with all of this publicity.

    And hey, if Hawaii doesn't want CNA, that's fine by me ...

    Keep 'em here fighting for me in Cali !!!!!!!!!

    :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Mar 16, '05
  9. by   kid80
    [150000 for the country not california alone //increased from 126o00
  10. by   veeratauro
    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is aiming for hospitals without any nurses
  11. by   begalli
    Quote from kid80
    [150000 for the country not california alone //increased from 126o00
    must Get Overseas Nurses In Fast
    So your solution to this problem kid80 is getting nurses from overseas? What about those countries that these nurses leave?

    I have nothing against folks who come to the US to work (and really, that's a whole different topic), but foreign nurses is NOT the answer to the nursing crisis in the US.
  12. by   Sheri257
    Quote from begalli
    So your solution to this problem kid80 is getting nurses from overseas? What about those countries that these nurses leave?

    I have nothing against folks who come to the US to work (and really, that's a whole different topic), but foreign nurses is NOT the answer to the nursing crisis in the US.
    This article may be of interest ... particularly since the Department of Health shortage projections are five years old and out of date.

    http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...aff.w4.526/DC1

    Here, they point out that approximately 140,000 U.S. nurses have returned to work, out of the 500,000 licensed RNs who, apparently left the work force in recent years. And, an additional 66,000 foreign nurses joined the workforce from 2001-2003.

    Still, we have a shortage, mostly due to aging baby boomers, who are increasing demand for nursing positions.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Mar 17, '05
  13. by   Sheri257
    Quote from IowaKaren
    This gets me thinking, what about the Nurse/CNA to Resident ratio in nursing homes, skilled nursing facilities, and places of this sort. It seems most places could use more staff for adequate, safe care also.
    I have to agree with this. Sometimes I think CNA's need ratios more than RN's do, especially in LTC but in hospitals too.


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