2005: The State of Nursing Salaries - page 20

from: advance for nurses survey results: the state of salaries by stephanie m. adamow, erin james & abigail scott what you are making? in our survey, nearly half of the 11,000... Read More

  1. by   Toquay
    I personally am praying the Union does go through for Naples Hospital. We have tried several times in Ft Myers area to get Unionized to no avail. We even went to vote several years ago and it looked like Unionization won but adminstration complained the results were faulty (must be something with Florida voting) and called for a revote which then failed after heavy push by administration to not Unionize. The same Healthcare system now owns ALL of our hospitals (5) and with that monopoly their philosophy is... "There's the door". It would be nice to just have a voice and know management has to listen, but until then they attend their meetings stay in their protected offices and have no clues.

    Toq
  2. by   teeituptom
    Unions are not a cure for you ills

    good representation of self. Sell yourself. If others dont then thats the possibility of even more money in your pocket.

    Unions are a dictatorship of mass mediocrity
  3. by   vm369
    Where is this hospital?
  4. by   cenote
    At the beginning of the 20th century employees were greatly abused. Working conditions were dangerous and wages were criminally low. (Read "The Jungle"). There was no way to "sell" yourself and improve your lot in life . . . you were disposable and mistreated. With time and great bravery by workers, unions were born and the workers' lot in life improved.
    Also with time, the unions grew in power and the inevitable happened. Power bred abuse. Union bosses ruled their members, extorted more and more of their pay as "dues", and ran their lives. Workers who rebelled, did so at their peril of becoming unemployable...anywhere. Those who chose not to be part of unions were in actual physical danger and even States buckled under to these powerhouses and enacted laws making those Not in unions nearly unemployable. Corporations were now at the mercy of these organizations and realized that the the tables had been turned on them. Previously, they had exploited their employees with ruthless disregard for the suffering they caused. Now they were being exploited even to the extend of financial failure.

    So, where are we now? Through the years, as with nature, a balance has evolved. Corporations are much more pro-active in dealing with their employees and unions are more responsive to the profit requirments of corporations. Does abuse still occur on both sides. Of course, but in general unions have worked.

    Do nurses need a union? While I am anti-union, in a general sense, I do recognize that when workplace abuses become commonplace and supply and demand are taken out of the equation to correct these abuses, then UNIONS MUST ARISE.

    There is NO WAY for the solo nurse to address widespead evasive abuses by standing up for her/himself. Do you not see that even the legislatures of State and even Congress itself, are buying into the falacy of the "Nursing Shortage" by increasing funding to nursing school? THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE! The corporations foster putting more cheap and new nurses on the market. This simply thwarts supply and demand. ITS TERMED "DUMPING" in importation lingo. The existing nurses, devalued by the numerous "baby" nurses on the market, suffer by lower salaries. (A warm body will do for the corps) It matters not that the new nurses come with less experience for they too will last only a few years before they move on after suffering the abusive nature of the floor nurse's career. (Need I enumerate these?)

    So, write your State and U.S. representative, tell them what you know . . . that patients suffer and yes, many die, due to the lack of experience of the nurse AND high patient to nurse ratios (caused by low pay and nurses leaving the profession). Tell them these high ratios are NOT due to lack of nurses but that the ratios themselves cause nurses to leave the profession.
    Improve working conditions for nurses with safe staffing ratios. Improve salaries by ending new funding for more nurses letting supply and demand rule.

    The result...Droves of nurses, (and I know a few myself), would return to the profession if just the above two things changed.

    Unionize? I'm afraid I now believe it is the only way the nurse's lot in life . . . and thereby, the patient's will improve. Strike? You bettcha!

    Enjoy!

    (Tell them to "Look to California" for guidance).

    UNIONIZE or move on....that's our choice.
  5. by   dbihl
    Quote from cenote
    At the beginning of the 20th century employees were greatly abused. Working conditions were dangerous and wages were criminally low. (Read "The Jungle"). There was no way to "sell" yourself and improve your lot in life . . . you were disposable and mistreated. With time and great bravery by workers, unions were born and the workers' lot in life improved.
    Also with time, the unions grew in power and the inevitable happened. Power bred abuse. Union bosses ruled their members, extorted more and more of their pay as "dues", and ran their lives. Workers who rebelled, did so at their peril of becoming unemployable...anywhere. Those who chose not to be part of unions were in actual physical danger and even States buckled under to these powerhouses and enacted laws making those Not in unions nearly unemployable. Corporations were now at the mercy of these organizations and realized that the the tables had been turned on them. Previously, they had exploited their employees with ruthless disregard for the suffering they caused. Now they were being exploited even to the extend of financial failure.

    So, where are we now? Through the years, as with nature, a balance has evolved. Corporations are much more pro-active in dealing with their employees and unions are more responsive to the profit requirments of corporations. Does abuse still occur on both sides. Of course, but in general unions have worked.

    Do nurses need a union? While I am anti-union, in a general sense, I do recognize that when workplace abuses become commonplace and supply and demand are taken out of the equation to correct these abuses, then UNIONS MUST ARISE.

    There is NO WAY for the solo nurse to address widespead evasive abuses by standing up for her/himself. Do you not see that even the legislatures of State and even Congress itself, are buying into the falacy of the "Nursing Shortage" by increasing funding to nursing school? THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE! The corporations foster putting more cheap and new nurses on the market. This simply thwarts supply and demand. ITS TERMED "DUMPING" in importation lingo. The existing nurses, devalued by the numerous "baby" nurses on the market, suffer by lower salaries. (A warm body will do for the corps) It matters not that the new nurses come with less experience for they too will last only a few years before they move on after suffering the abusive nature of the floor nurse's career. (Need I enumerate these?)

    So, write your State and U.S. representative, tell them what you know . . . that patients suffer and yes, many die, due to the lack of experience of the nurse AND high patient to nurse ratios (caused by low pay and nurses leaving the profession). Tell them these high ratios are NOT due to lack of nurses but that the ratios themselves cause nurses to leave the profession.
    Improve working conditions for nurses with safe staffing ratios. Improve salaries by ending new funding for more nurses letting supply and demand rule.

    The result...Droves of nurses, (and I know a few myself), would return to the profession if just the above two things changed.

    Unionize? I'm afraid I now believe it is the only way the nurse's lot in life . . . and thereby, the patient's will improve. Strike? You bettcha!

    Enjoy!

    (Tell them to "Look to California" for guidance).

    UNIONIZE or move on....that's our choice.

    i could not agree with you more. Nurses the whipping post that the money is bled out of. Nursing is a weak profession, stronger now than it was but look at the roots of nursing. Where did we come from? where are we going? Hospitals rely on creating martyr's and management tells you, you wont be short staffed if you get your co-workers to quit calling in. They rely on the same kind of mentality that soldiers are trained to use. I will work my but off to help my fellow, nurse. Corporations rely on nurses graduating, gettin married, a house and mortgage, pregnant, and then your on the wheel. No way out. and remember, don't call in. And if you do your co-workers go short staffed. But if there is not enough patients, we will send staff home even though we know we are going to fill the bed in an hour or two. And when your short staffed, there is no extra compensation for you. I realized that when we are short one nurse on our unit each one of us is cramming in an extra 1.7 hours worth of labor into our night with no extra compensation. Then the hospital cuts out a staff when we dont have a couple beds filled by midnight, we fill them and we absorb the labor. Then smile and look pretty for the inservice on handwashing in the morning!!:spin:
  6. by   dbihl
    the sad thing is we are not making donuts here, we are dealing with mom and dad!
  7. by   teeituptom
    Unionization will never settle anything. If you dony want to work that job then someone will. Unions are self absorbed into their mission in life not yours. However nursing unions do one thing right. They go on strike, then I get exhorbitant pay to cross those strike lines. God Knows I love strike pay. Its wonderfull.
  8. by   dbihl
    Quote from teeituptom
    Unionization will never settle anything. If you dony want to work that job then someone will. Unions are self absorbed into their mission in life not yours. However nursing unions do one thing right. They go on strike, then I get exhorbitant pay to cross those strike lines. God Knows I love strike pay. Its wonderfull.
    can you share with me how you work the system, i have been a nurse for a year and am interested in being able to stay in the profession. I am at a level one trauma on a step down medical unit.
    any info would be interesting and welcome
    thansk
  9. by   cybergal
    does anyone know the salaries for TN AND KY?
  10. by   abhsman
    still not enough
  11. by   traumahawk99
    nothing amuses me more than the constant whining of the "poor" nurses i work around.

    in this industry, you can pick your hours, and you make a very decent wage. if you've got initiative, you can make exrtremely good money.... and it's all over the place to be made.

    in these tough economic times, MOST people are far less fortunate. in the first place, they earn less than us... and there is no option to work overtime. i can work three 12 hour night shifts, and make 50k, have good benefits, etc. and pick up a couple of extra nights at $38 an hour. it adds up quickly.

    this year, in my first full year as a nurse, i've aready broken $95k. i'll be two years as a nurse in next july. that's a phenomenal amout to earn for such a short time in a profession. and i will do it again this year... while i'm working on longer term projects.

    so let's give this industry its due. for those who want to work, there is plenty of money to be made. to say otherwise is simply ridiculous. the world doesn't revolve around nurses, as though every nurse should automatically be a millionaire.

    it's much tougher for most folks. this is a great profession to be in, with excellent long term prospects.
  12. by   NRSKarenRN
    traumahawk99, i'm glad to see you benefiting from salary gains. the rn's who've toiled the past 20-30 years fought mightly to develop and promote this #1 respected professsion. it is up to the next generation to hold high the standards and continue the fight for economic gains.

    most rn's across the us are not able to make anywhere near that california salary but aspire to acheive it for the patient care responsibilites we have today.


    advance salary survey 2007

  13. by   crystalchen
    you do not have to pay state income tax in Taxes?! (sorry I just immigrated here and do not know much about taxes in different states...) So is it only for health care career or it is for everyone???

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