"Mandatory Flu Shots Hit Resistance"

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    With the H1N1 pandemic spreading rapidly, hundreds of thousands of doctors, nurses, orderlies and other U.S. health-care workers for the first time are being required to get flu shots, drawing praise from many public-health authorities but condemnation from some employees, unions and other critics who object to mandatory vaccination.

    One of the nation's most populous states, the country's largest hospital chain and the Washington area's biggest private health-care system are among those ordering influenza inoculation for health-care employees this year, along with a growing list of medical centers and clinics coast to coast.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092503854.html
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  3. Visit  dannyc12 profile page
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    Again, we happily get mandatory hepatitis and other vaccines, but because of recent hysteria over vaccines and health care reform, suddenly getting a flu shot when there is a particularly nasty strain out and about is a bad idea.

    The efficacy of flu (and other) vaccines has a massive trail of evidence and data supporting it. There are plenty of good, sound, evidence based reasons to mandate this vaccination.
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  4. Visit  HeartsOpenWide profile page
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    If we do not get our flu shots then we have to wear a mask for the ENTIRE FLU SEASON. And if one of our family members has flu like symptoms we have to wear a mask for a week. I like that they are taking precautions, but what is this going to make our patients think seeing their nurses wearing masks because they might have been exposed to the flu despite the flu vaccinations; especially in my department of labor and delivery, no one will want me to be their or their babies nurse if I am wearing a mask!...yet at the same time they want us to re-use or N95 if they are not "visibly soiled or bent"...
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  5. Visit  PostOpPrincess profile page
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    Quote from dannyc12
    Again, we happily get mandatory hepatitis and other vaccines, but because of recent hysteria over vaccines and health care reform, suddenly getting a flu shot when there is a particularly nasty strain out and about is a bad idea.

    The efficacy of flu (and other) vaccines has a massive trail of evidence and data supporting it. There are plenty of good, sound, evidence based reasons to mandate this vaccination.

    There are NO mandatory vaccines, unless you are in the military. There is always a way to get out of them.
    Conqueror+, jaclibra, PICUPNP, and 11 others like this.
  6. Visit  susanthomas1954 profile page
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    People in my age group are not getting the h1n1, and I think they need to concentrate on people who are at risk. Seriously, most health care professionals have developed immune systems that can deal with anything out there.
    I have never had a vaccine as an adult, and my children got all the way through public school with me very vocally keeping the "rules" in perspective. As it turns out, the rule for our district was that unvaccinated students had to stay home from school if there was an outbreak of any disease that required vaccines. They never got to stay home one day in 16 years from that rule.
    Probably some at risk populations should get the H1N1 vaccine, but not me. Now, my sons are 23 and 26, and I would certainly support them if they decided to get it, as they are in university settings for classes. Neither lives on campus. It's always a PERSONAL decision, and if one DECIDES based on fact, instead of pressure from an employer or school, that makes sense.
    ST
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  7. Visit  psalm profile page
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    Quote from HeartsOpenWide
    If we do not get our flu shots then we have to wear a mask for the ENTIRE FLU SEASON. And if one of our family members has flu like symptoms we have to wear a mask for a week. I like that they are taking precautions, but what is this going to make our patients think seeing their nurses wearing masks because they might have been exposed to the flu despite the flu vaccinations; especially in my department of labor and delivery, no one will want me to be their or their babies nurse if I am wearing a mask!...yet at the same time they want us to re-use or N95 if they are not "visibly soiled or bent"...

    Regarding reusing the N95: It's a No-No!! Check out the site below. I hope I copied it correctly. Send an email to your nm and infectious control doctors with this info.

    Page Title: Masks and N95 Respirators
    Web Page URL: http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Pr.../ucm055977.htm
  8. Visit  CraigB-RN profile page
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    Quote from psalm
    Regarding reusing the N95: It's a No-No!! Check out the site below. I hope I copied it correctly. Send an email to your nm and infectious control doctors with this info.

    Page Title: Masks and N95 Respirators
    Web Page URL: http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Pr.../ucm055977.htm
    You might want to do a little more research before you make a No-No post.

    http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm
    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...ep0309iom.html

    The thing to remember though is that the N95 only works to protect the person wearing it, it doesn't protect us from the person spreading the organism whether it's H1No or TB.
  9. Visit  krazykev profile page
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    The day that I am required to get a mandatory Flu Shot from my employer is the day that I find another employer. No person, or place is going to tell me what to put in my body. If I wanted to give up my choices, I would have joined the military.
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  10. Visit  FLArn profile page
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    One major difference between the flu and Hep B is that you can (and most people do) get over the flu but once you get Hep B you've got it! Also the Hep B vaccine is OPTIONAL you can sign a waiver so the comparison really doesn't hold. Getting the flu vaccine DOESN'T mean you won't get the flu just that that strain may not hit you as hard and doesn't protect at all for strains not in the vaccine. I've never been one to get colds, etc. so I like my odds.
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  11. Visit  cjmjmom profile page
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    Citizens in this country should be able to CHOOSE if they want any additive put in their body or not, not mandated! This is the United States of America not a dictatorship. Last I knew health care workers were citizens and have the same rights as other people who live in this country.
    Last edit by cjmjmom on Sep 27, '09 : Reason: Spelling
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  12. Visit  nurse2009 profile page
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    Quote from krazykev
    The day that I am required to get a mandatory Flu Shot from my employer is the day that I find another employer. No person, or place is going to tell me what to put in my body. If I wanted to give up my choices, I would have joined the military.
    So what do you do about your hep vaccine or the other vaccine that are manditory for health care workers?
    Im not asking to be snooty or anything Im curious.
    I work for a couple of companys that all we do is wellness clinics and flu vaccines. I just finished a flu clinic for a corporation were me and a few other nurses gave out over 3000 vaccines this last week with no ill effects.
    If you question a vaccite do the research on the studies of that vaccine. Thats what I do. I know in the area were I live there are two pharmaceutical company's that are producing the H1N1 vaccine and have done the studies and test on the vaccine. I'm very happy about the outcomes I have read. The H1N1 vaccine is produced like any other flu vaccine that is put out there every year. Do you think they have spent a lot of time testing your yearly flu vaccine before it comes out every year?... I believe that the H1N1 vaccine has been tested and re tested more than any seasonal flu vaccine. I also want to let you know just like any other season flu vaccine that you will have company's making different formulas like the thermasol free and those that are designed for the younger individuals. they also will have the nasal formula that is a live virus versus the injection that is a dead virus.
    knowleadge is power do your research you might find that all this negative talk and publicity is just a bunch of hipe.
    Back in the 70's when there was a swine flu outbreak and they made individuals receive a vaccine things were a lot different. The formulas were not perfected and that is why there were a lot of side effects.
    Just a few years ago you would get sick or maybe a mild cold from your flu vaccine because it was a live virus. It is not a live virus unless you get the nasal mist.
    Hope this info helps.
    :heartbeatTricia RN :heartbeat
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  13. Visit  K.P.A. profile page
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    Questions...

    Is it OK for people tobe walking around with infectious diseases?
    Does it depend on the disease?
    Polio? TB? HIV? Syphilis? Hansen? Smallpox? Plague? H1N1?

    Should an employer have the right to require employees to take measures which will limit harm to his customers as a condition of employment?

    Should he be required to? (think restaurant workers and hepatitis or sex workers in Nevada and HIV)

    your friend,

    -katz
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  14. Visit  deege58 profile page
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    Quote from dannyc12
    Again, we happily get mandatory hepatitis and other vaccines, but because of recent hysteria over vaccines and health care reform, suddenly getting a flu shot when there is a particularly nasty strain out and about is a bad idea.

    The efficacy of flu (and other) vaccines has a massive trail of evidence and data supporting it. There are plenty of good, sound, evidence based reasons to mandate this vaccination.
    You are incorrect on several points;
    1-We have no mandatory vaccines in nursing- suggested, but we can decline.
    2- What "hysteria" might you be referring to? Are you referring to concerns over Autism? And what has this got to do with healthcare reform?
    3-H1N1, is no more nasty than any other Flu to the average, healthy population, there is a portion of the population that is more at risk for more serious complications, such as pregnant women.

    Can you please site your references for the "good sound evidence" I would like to read them.
    I recently heard an infectious disease physcian state that he would not take that immunization, nor will he be giving it to his children. He stated, he believed the vaccine to be far more dangerous than the H1N1 flu. It has been "fast tracked" and is filled with potentially dangerous adjuncts, such as thimerisol. it has not received adequate testing. So, yes, i would love to read your evidence.
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