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  1. Visit  pagandeva2000 profile page
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    I agree. I am working the flu clinic at my hospital and I am seeing many of the health care workers (particularly home health aides) walking in crying. One woman came in, sat down and when she saw the needle, she got up, screamed hysterically and ran out of the room. Most are clearly not interested and feel forced.

    From a personal standpoint, I am not afraid to take H1N1, but I do have issues about being forced. And, as a resident in New York City, I am watching this process very closely because, I also believe that if we set the precident here, it will continue throughout theh US.
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  2. Visit  CrunchRN profile page
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    "One woman came in, sat down and when she saw the needle, she got up, screamed hysterically and ran out of the room. Most are clearly not interested and feel forced."

    Ok, that is not normal. That is a lack of education and shows what the fear mongering that some indulge in can cause.
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  3. Visit  cenote profile page
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    Quote from dannyc12
    Again, we happily get mandatory hepatitis and other vaccines, but because of recent hysteria over vaccines and health care reform, suddenly getting a flu shot when there is a particularly nasty strain out and about is a bad idea.

    The efficacy of flu (and other) vaccines has a massive trail of evidence and data supporting it. There are plenty of good, sound, evidence based reasons to mandate this vaccination.
    Perhaps it's a freedom thingy...You know that when a law is passed, a freedom is curtailed. I'm sick and tired of new laws that chip away at our personal freedom. If we wanted to be treated like a cititzen of Russia...we could just move there.
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  4. Visit  FLArn profile page
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    Quote from CrunchRN
    "One woman came in, sat down and when she saw the needle, she got up, screamed hysterically and ran out of the room. Most are clearly not interested and feel forced."

    Ok, that is not normal. That is a lack of education and shows what the fear mongering that some indulge in can cause.
    It may not be a lack of education -- there are things called phobias and some have very understandable causes. My child when a preschooler had to have a series of lumbar punctures over several months. It took many years to overcome a fear of needles and it was very difficult for this child and vaccinations and blood work often took several attempts and much emotional trauma even into adulthood. Getting injections is not easy for many people. I think it is very presumptuous of any of us to judge another's reactions when we don't know that person's history.
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  5. Visit  Moogie profile page
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    Quote from FLArn
    It may not be a lack of education -- there are things called phobias and some have very understandable causes. My child when a preschooler had to have a series of lumbar punctures over several months. It took many years to overcome a fear of needles and it was very difficult for this child and vaccinations and blood work often took several attempts and much emotional trauma even into adulthood. Getting injections is not easy for many people. I think it is very presumptuous of any of us to judge another's reactions when we don't know that person's history.
    My son had a phobia of needles until he got a tattoo. Go figure.
  6. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Brings back memories of working with a pediatrician/internist in a community health center providing care to migrant hispanic families and individuals. Some of those kids were terrified of needles or many other procedures. Worked with a woman who would end up red in the face and shouting inside of 5 minutes...very counter-productive with kids. I tried to help her but she just didn't have the personality or maturity or both to control herself and not escalate emotion of the situation. She ended up losing her job because even poor hispanic people who don't speak much english will complain about scary hysterical people!
  7. Visit  SuesquatchRN profile page
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    Every child attending school in NYS must have the vaccinations delineated in the link.

    http://www.health.state.ny.us/publications/2370.pdf

    Mandating that we protect one another from catastrophic disease is not an infringement on our constitutional rights. It prevents our infringing upon others' right to be free from potentially fatal illnesses.
  8. Visit  lwd338 profile page
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    This is an e-mail that has started circulating and it makes total sense to me es[ecially if you are not going to get the H1N1 I made a copy to post in my break room, enjoy.
    >
    >> Dr. Vinay Goyal is an MBBS,DRM,DNB (Intensivist and Thyroid
    > specialist)
    >> having clinical experience of over 20 years. He has worked in
    > institutions
    >> like Hinduja Hospital , Bombay Hospital , Saifee Hospital , Tata
    > Memorial
    >> etc.. Presently, he is heading our Nuclear Medicine Department and
    > Thyroid
    >> clinic at Riddhivinayak Cardiac and Critical Centre, Malad (W).
    >>
    >> The following message given by him, I feel makes a lot of sense and
    > is
    >> important for all to know
    >>
    >> The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat. In a
    > global
    >> epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming into
    >> contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is
    > not so
    >> much of a problem as proliferation is.
    >>
    >> While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1
    >> infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of symptoms
    > and
    >> development of secondary infections, some very simple steps, not
    > fully
    >> highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced
    > (instead of
    >> focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu):
    >>
    >> 1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official
    > communications).
    >>
    >> 2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach. Resist all temptations to touch any
    > part
    >> of face (unless you want to eat, bathe or slap).
    >>
    >> 3. *Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine if you
    > don't
    >> trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the
    > throat/
    >> nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple
    >> gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water
    > has
    >> the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an
    > infected
    >> one. Don't underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful
    >> preventative method.
    >>
    >> 4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at least once every day
    > with
    >> warm salt water. *Not everybody may be good at Jala Neti or Sutra
    > Neti
    >> (very good Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities), but *blowing the
    > nose
    >> hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in
    > warm
    >> salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population.*
    >>
    >>
    >> 5. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin
    > C
    >> (Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to supplement with
    > Vitamin C
    >> tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption.
    >>
    >> 6. *Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, coffee, etc) as you can.
    > *Drinking
    >> warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the reverse
    >> direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat into
    > the
    >> stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm..
  9. Visit  RNsckofit profile page
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    such a simple solution..all who want to take the h1n1 vaccine..take it, take it..have all your loved ones take it, vaccinate every patient who walks through the hospital doors..then no need for concern from those of us who refuse to take the sebelius-daines-glaxo-novartis-1918flu-de-permafrost-primordial :lghmkyoze.
  10. Visit  meluhn profile page
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    Quote from dannyc12
    Again, we happily get mandatory hepatitis and other vaccines, but because of recent hysteria over vaccines and health care reform, suddenly getting a flu shot when there is a particularly nasty strain out and about is a bad idea.

    The efficacy of flu (and other) vaccines has a massive trail of evidence and data supporting it. There are plenty of good, sound, evidence based reasons to mandate this vaccination.
    If I had met a large number of people that said they got hepatitis right after they got the hepb vaccine, I would have refused that one too.
    I have never gotten the flu and I don't plan on getting the vaccine. They say that you could pass it on without ever having any symptoms. How is it possible that they know this. I would like to know what they are basing this on.

    While we are on the subject, Can anyone tell me why we vaccinate newborns for hep b when it is blood born or sexually transmitted? Is that in case the mom has it? Just wondering.

    I am not saying that many vaccines are not valuable and neccessary but when someone makes a claim that it made them sick, autistic etc, I think it should be looked into and not dismissed.
  11. Visit  Katie82 profile page
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    [quote=HeartsOpenWide;3884227]If we do not get our flu shots then we have to wear a mask for the ENTIRE FLU SEASON. but what is this going to make our patients think seeing their nurses wearing masks because they might have been exposed to the flu despite the flu vaccinations; especially in my department of labor and delivery,


    I would not want you taking care of me if you wear a mask under those circumstances, but because I then know that you were not vaccinated. I work in a public health setting, and the CDC has hammered into our heads that health care workers will be on the front line of those spreading this virus. I had the shot and had no ill effects, not even the sore arm the seasonal shot gives you. The precautions being taken after exposure are too little too late, CDC says the most contageous period is the 24 hr period before you become symptomatic. I have been giving flu shots long enough to see the pattern. Make them mandantory and people will resist. Tell them there is a shortage and they can't have a shot, and they will line up around the block...... I respect your right not to get vaccinated, but you do have an ethical responsibility to do so if you are delivering direct patient care. Especially in labor and delivery. Luckily for your worksetting, most pregnant women are getting vaccinated to protect their babies.
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  12. Visit  seattlern78 profile page
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    Actually, there is also plenty of evidence bringing the efficacy of flu shots into question. Mandating flu shots is not the way to prevent the spread of the flu. Have you not worked with patients and coworkers that were immunized and got the flu anyways? It should always be up to the individual; drugs should not be forced in any way in a free society. All drugs have risks.
  13. Visit  seattlern78 profile page
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    Are you kidding me? No evidence that mercury will harm the fetus? Then why do they tell pregnant women not to eat tuna? Why must even a tiny oamount of mercury be removed by a hazmat team? To discuss evidence, I would like to mention what is clearly stated in the flu vaccine package insert of a major brand. It states it is not known if trhe vaccine will harm pregnant women, the fetus or nursing babies. It states that it ws tested on 31 kids between 6 and 24 m old for safety. We must consider evidence of safety in addition to evidence of harm. It seems to me that the risk of the flu is generally a small risk. A few days in bed and some chicken soup for most people.

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