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- by biju27 Jan 28Good evening, I am a new manager with only one year experience and over the last year I changed my job. Currently, I am responsible for 41 employees, andI can say I have good RN/patient census. One nurse is responsible for maximum of 15 patients. Here I can say that we are not always full. I find my CNAs very compassionate, and caring. They listen and look for my opinion and advice. The problems I am having is with the nurses. I constantly find their lack of knowledge. I offer to teach them, however I feel that they do not care, and do not want to improve. I gave to all their job description, the only thing they care concerned with is to pass their meds. They lack critical thingking, do not know how to prioritize. One of their responsibility is to create care plans for their patients. When I remind them what else is needed to be done for their patients, the response I get is, "I am too busy or No, it is too much." I did written verbal warnings, however somehow this does not work. As a result, I do all of thier paper work. It is overwhelming for onr person to do all, especially when I have families that are very demanding and expect from me to update them about their relatives on daily basis. Please, help me. I am willing to do what it is needed to be done. In addition, I do not have the support from HR who made me aware that the facility is not in the position to fire anyone.
- Jan 28 by Sun0408What type of facility is this?? I would caution you, are new to nursing with minimal experience and now you are in a new job/role.. Tread lightly, you don't want to come off as a know it all. You have mentioned here they lack knowledge and critical thinking to name a few, the staff may sense this..Are these care plans written or computer generated based on admitting dx.. If I had 15 pts I was responsible for in a 8-12 hour day with meds, tx, issues etc.. I can see why they can't "create" a care plan however, printing and signing is easier and doable with the pt load. Is there any "fluff" in the job that can be cut so the staff has time to do the required documentation?? Maybe you can have a meeting. Hopefully that would be a good way to get to know the staff and learn some of their issues.
- Jan 28 by biju27Thank you for your response. I am a manager on subacute unit. I apologize if I sounded as a nurse who knows it all but I do not present myself as one. I constantly evaluate my performance, and always find something new to read about and learn. What you would think about a nurse with the following examples. I am talking about a nurse who have at least 20 years experience. For example, a patient fell and is on the floor, the nurse will not consider it as an emergency and continue with passing the meds. The nurse will flag any labs for the doctor to seeat a later time, even when the potassium is very low. The nurse wil come and ask me what to do with BP meds even when the BP is 80/40. I can give many examples. I will explain to the nurse what she should do, the next day the situation will be the same. I have met with the staff already, but I am planning to meet with the nurses alone. Thank you for your help.
- Jan 28 by Sun0408With the examples you state, its hard to get a handle on.. A fall is priority over meds. The K, well how low, what is the pts norm, are they symptomatic.. It all plays a role whether I call at 4am or wait til rounds. The BP situation should be turned over to the MD for them to decide as it is outside our scope to hold without and order. Some cardio docs still want the med to be given, depending on why the med was ordered.. Parameters should be put on all meds, takes a lot of the guessing out of it and a lot of late phone calls to MD's I have had some write to hold for SBP less than 70 only or hold if HR in the 40s. Of course it all depends on the reason behind the medication.
I thought this was about care plans LOL, you have some issues but sounds pretty typical of acute care as well.. Educate educate educate.... When in doubt call the Doc. It might **** them off but the staff will learn and cover themselves in the process and the docs will learn to write parameters hehe
- Jan 28 by NotFloI'm a floor nurse on a subacute unit. I can have anywhere from 15-25 patients depending on staffing and census. I would never in a million years have time to do all my patient's care plans. My unit manager does them. I have had five unit managers over the years in my current job and all of them have done the care plans. I might update them if a patient falls and I'm adding interventions or develops an infection or something but I'm not required to. The initial care plans are always done by the unit manager.
What are your duties as unit manager? My unit manager and I and the other nurses work as a team. It helps that it is obvious that she respects and values us. When we are really in a jam she is out there answering lights. When we are desperately short she pushes the med cart. Likewise when she is swamped I am there to help pick up the care plans or run to a family meeting or call the labs in to the doctor or whatever else I can do to help.
- Jan 29 by HouTxHmm - (trying not to be negative here). Full disclosure: I'm a nurse educator - past jobs include management/administrative roles in a variety of clinical and educational environments.
The information that jumped out at me from the OP's post was the lack of appropriate response to patient situations. This behavior was not acceptable for an RN - or LP/VN. Unfortunately, if this individual has 20 years of experience, chances of transforming them into a critical thinker is very slim. The common mis-perception is more experience=more expertise. BUT that is only if the person actually learns from experience & some people don't. They just repeat 'year one' over and over again.
I would advise the OP to address these glaring examples of disregard for patient safety ASAP. If possible, obtain a diagnostic competency assessment to determine whether there is actually a knowledge deficit present. If so, this may(!) be correctable with additional education. If there is no underlying lack of knowledge, then the problem can only be addressed through progressive counseling leading to discipline. Termination may be an outcome. The consequences for lack of improvement need to be made very clear.
- Jan 29 by OrcaAs a result, I do all of thier paper work. It is overwhelming for onr person to do all, especially when I have families that are very demanding and expect from me to update them about their relatives on daily basis.
This jumped out at me. Your subordinates have apparently realized that if they blow you off, you will do their work for them.
In this situation I would resort to counselings, proceeding to letters of instruction and finally to written reprimands if they continue to be non-compliant. I am sure that your facility has a progressive discipline policy. Familiarize yourself with it, and use it. Once your subordinates see that you are serious and you mean business, you will begin to gain control of the situation. They will realize that they cannot just ignore you and their work will be done by someone else. I have held staff meetings in which I have openly discussed work performance standards and failure to meet them (although you have to be careful not to call out individuals in an open meeting - that should always be done in private). Giving them a copy of their work performance standards is not an effective way to approach the problem, IMO. They can simply set these aside and ignore them. Going over them verbally in a meeting would be more effective - and by going over them, I don't mean reading them verbatim, but rather presenting them as part of your expectations as a manager.
If your facility administration will not back you, you are in an untenable position. In that event, I would move on.
- Jan 29 by evolvingrnIf you can't set expectations and follow through ...............well then i think your screwed. with blood pressures and such those are basic standards of care. I would set some basic standards of care. we have a 'standard of the month' we review and are held accountable to . (its usually based on a situation that has occurred) we get audits and those audits are posted on the wall (with individual names). its usually targeted standards like fall risk procedures in place, correct blood administration documentation ect...........there are still a few thing you can do but what I'm hearing is you have a disengaged nursing staff. I think you need to form a small leadership team from within your 41 employees that help with dissemination of standards and policies for your floor. (perhaps they can be elected from their peers so that it gives them a voice) when you have your staff engaged in their own evaluation it brings some ownership to the table. but you may not be able to change things over night. its going to be a slow process.
- Jan 29 by biju27Thank you all for your comments. Today, I brought the subject to DON and they are going to start to inservice the nurses. I also met with the nurses and informed them that I will do a time study on each one of them to find out how they use their time. I am planning to follow each one of them and see how they use their time. As far as the work, I am not complaining, I love to work and will help them as much as I can. However, it is really frustrating when you see nothing is being done as far as charting, and they are always complaining even if they have 10 patients each.
- Jan 29 by shanshanRNI am a new Unit Manager...does anyone have any good professional tips for the job...I have to unify my 3 shifts...it feels as though no one works together...too many chiefs and no Indians! Not to mention some staff that are jealous of the promotion with no well wishes...any suggestions on how to approach my new position and to be an Efficient leader while maintaining a good report with my staff??