2 Dismissed Misdemeanor Charges... Rejection Letter? Please help.

  1. 0 Hi,


    I had taken the TEAS exam, passed, and had my interview for a practical nursing program & it went very very well. The woman told me that I had nothing to worry about and I should be getting a letter in February for being accepted or rejected.

    To my surpurise I got a rejection letter yesterday (awful start to my weekend)! It pretty much said that in review of my CORI check along with the Good Moral Character requirements for licensure in nursing & entry requirements, I was ineligible to enroll into the program at this time. It then says that I have teh right to review my CORI and denial of enrollment based on the GMC requirements with the director of admissions. Well of course I want to do that, because I'm a little confused. In my past I have gotten in trouble and it's completely embarassing and a part of my PAST - I've grown and matured since then. The arrests were posession of a class E substance and an A&B, 2 seperate arrests. I actually paid $25 online today to get a copy of my CORI so I could see it... Both are considered misdemeanors, closed cases, and non-convictions.

    Can anyone give me insight as to why you think I may have gotten rejected? Is it because of the class E posession? Both arrests sound a lot worse than they actually were, but I know that an arrest is an arrest. I'm just so confused because I figured they wouldn't even show up on a CORI and I could have sworn back in my days of having to goto court, they said if I did the probation and everything as I should have, that I'd have a clean record. I want to have some kind of idea so I don't get extremely emotional or too defensive if I meet with the director. Is it worth trying to 'fight?' Should I try to seal my record... will that even help? Also, do you think it may just be this one program - are community colleges likely to deny me too? Should I apply at some other technical schools as some still have TEAS dates coming up, or will they all deny me like this one did?

    Any advice would be completely helpful as I'm totally stressed and upset about this.

    Thankyou.
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  4. Visit  Devon Rex} profile page
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    Hello! I'm going to speak form my heart, but I'm also going to blunt.

    I would recommned meeting with the Director of Admissions to do just what the letter says you have the right to do... which is to review your case. Do not go thinking you can talk your way into the program, instead, go with the mentality of wanting to learn what exactly made them reject your application.

    Learn form the experience and determine if there is anything you can do to improve your chances of being accepted in another institution. If you get into a nursing program, this issue will come up again before you can take your NCLEX-RN... and then you will need to provide all the information they ask you to satisfy their requirements to let you sit for the board examination.

    What ever happened, happened... you now have to live with the ramifications of those actions the rest of your life. Even if charges were dismissed. Take ownership of your actions and highlight the things you have made to make things right and not repeat the same mistakes again.

    You are trying to enter a professional career that is extremely important for people's health. You need to prove over and over that you have become a better person and are worthy of taking care patients, their privacy, and their lives. No Board of Nursing will take any blemish in one's criminal or civil records lightly.

    Go in, talk with the Director, and learn form the experience. If you just start appling to others schools without facing this challenge now, I'm afraid the rejection letters will continue to come to you.

    Sending you bet wishes!
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  5. Visit  katex03} profile page
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    I'm not sure where my comment went!

    Thank you so much for your reply, I appreciate it.

    I'm just nervous to meet with the director of admissions. Basically, I don't really have a life changing event that made me change as a person other than just growing up and maturing on my own. I changed my surroundings and started going to therapy so I could like myself as a person and therefore not do things that were illegal. I also got out of an abusive relationship but that took some time - that helped me be who I wanted to be. I complied with all of the terms of my probation, never failed a drug test and always showed up to meet with my officer, kept a job etc. Other than really becoming a CNA and remianing a student and keeping jobs, what makes me any better than a criminal to get a job? Maybe I'm really just over thinking it, but I don't think simply telling anyone during an interview that I had troubles when I was younger and I'm a different person now is what they want to hear.

    Quote from Devon Rex
    Hello! I'm going to speak form my heart, but I'm also going to blunt.

    I would recommned meeting with the Director of Admissions to do just what the letter says you have the right to do... which is to review your case. Do not go thinking you can talk your way into the program, instead, go with the mentality of wanting to learn what exactly made them reject your application.

    Learn form the experience and determine if there is anything you can do to improve your chances of being accepted in another institution. If you get into a nursing program, this issue will come up again before you can take your NCLEX-RN... and then you will need to provide all the information they ask you to satisfy their requirements to let you sit for the board examination.

    What ever happened, happened... you now have to live with the ramifications of those actions the rest of your life. Even if charges were dismissed. Take ownership of your actions and highlight the things you have made to make things right and not repeat the same mistakes again.

    You are trying to enter a professional career that is extremely important for people's health. You need to prove over and over that you have become a better person and are worthy of taking care patients, their privacy, and their lives. No Board of Nursing will take any blemish in one's criminal or civil records lightly.

    Go in, talk with the Director, and learn form the experience. If you just start appling to others schools without facing this challenge now, I'm afraid the rejection letters will continue to come to you.

    Sending you bet wishes!
  6. Visit  Devon Rex} profile page
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    Hello!

    I understand your dilemma. However, the issues will come up no matter whether you address them or not. SO, you're best to address them. Everything you said in the last post about what you've done to change who you were (for the best), is what they need to know. That doesn't show up on your record, so you must bring it forth. You can do that in confidence, other students or professor need not to know your business. BUT... those who handle your applications do need to know.

    I takes great committment to comply with what has been asked of you during your restitution. It take even more courage to take responsibility and ownership of those mistakes and demonstrate that you have learned form them and how you are committed to help others.

    Perhaps volunteering on a program helping youth in getting out of trouble or staying out of trouble would be a solid testament to your resolution. Just a suggestion.

    If nursing is in your heart and you really want to become a nurse... your price is a little higher than others, but not impossible. This situation makes you stronger in ways I am not (for instance). Turn the bad into good. Not everyone will give you a chance, but others will. I believe that God will place you where He needs you to be.

    Do not be afraid of talking with the Director of Admissions. As I said before, do not go to the meeting thinking you will be trying to convice him/her to let you into the program... go in to learn what you can do to make your dream a reality, even if it means in another school.

    Keep the faith and your chin up!
  7. Visit  mindlor} profile page
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    From your tone you sound as though you are not in the US. That said, in the US you can secure a lawyer who will then help you to purge your record of those letters. If the charges were dismissed they should not be in your file or history.

    So my advice, speak to a good attorney.
  8. Visit  katex03} profile page
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    Quote from Devon Rex
    Hello!

    I understand your dilemma. However, the issues will come up no matter whether you address them or not. SO, you're best to address them. Everything you said in the last post about what you've done to change who you were (for the best), is what they need to know. That doesn't show up on your record, so you must bring it forth. You can do that in confidence, other students or professor need not to know your business. BUT... those who handle your applications do need to know.

    I takes great committment to comply with what has been asked of you during your restitution. It take even more courage to take responsibility and ownership of those mistakes and demonstrate that you have learned form them and how you are committed to help others.

    Perhaps volunteering on a program helping youth in getting out of trouble or staying out of trouble would be a solid testament to your resolution. Just a suggestion.

    If nursing is in your heart and you really want to become a nurse... your price is a little higher than others, but not impossible. This situation makes you stronger in ways I am not (for instance). Turn the bad into good. Not everyone will give you a chance, but others will. I believe that God will place you where He needs you to be.

    Do not be afraid of talking with the Director of Admissions. As I said before, do not go to the meeting thinking you will be trying to convice him/her to let you into the program... go in to learn what you can do to make your dream a reality, even if it means in another school.

    Keep the faith and your chin up!
    Thank you so much, that just put a smile on my face!! Now I am waiting for the school to get back to me- the fun never ends! :-)
  9. Visit  katex03} profile page
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    I am in the US. I got a call back from my old probation officer todY, and he said that he is not sure what the people at the program are talking about because both were misdemeanors, cwof-ed and dismissed. This is even more troubling- makes me think the school is just extra picky? Im
    Not sure if I should go through the hassle of meeting with a lawyer and try sealing my records or not


    Quote from mindlor
    From your tone you sound as though you are not in the US. That said, in the US you can secure a lawyer who will then help you to purge your record of those letters. If the charges were dismissed they should not be in your file or history.

    So my advice, speak to a good attorney.
  10. Visit  db2xs} profile page
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    Hi Katex. I'm not sure why the program rejected you, but I guess they are "free" to do what they want. I think it is an individual institution's discretion to do so. I will let you know that I applied to two MSN programs (I have a bachelor's in a non-nursing field), and I admitted in my application that I had been arrested in the past (misdemeanor), but I also explained the circumstances behind it. Amazingly enough, they both accepted me into their programs.

    So don't give up hope. Not all programs will reject you.
  11. Visit  katex03} profile page
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    Thats awesome good for you! Now did you disclose that during your interview for getting into the program or just for the nursing boards to take the NCLEX? Im just going to try and apply at other schools and hope for better luck, sigh! Lol



    Quote from db2xs
    Hi Katex. I'm not sure
    why the program rejected you, but I guess they are "free" to do what they want. I think it is an individual institution's discretion to do so. I will let you know that I applied to two MSN programs (I have a bachelor's in a non-nursing field), and I admitted in my application that I had been arrested in the past (misdemeanor), but I also explained the circumstances behind it. Amazingly enough, they both accepted me into their programs.

    So don't give up hope. Not all programs will reject you.
  12. Visit  db2xs} profile page
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    Quote from katex03
    Thats awesome good for you! Now did you disclose that during your interview for getting into the program or just for the nursing boards to take the NCLEX? Im just going to try and apply at other schools and hope for better luck, sigh! Lol
    I disclosed the information on the online application for admissions, not during the interview. I am getting ready to graduate with a BSN in May (decided to forego the MSN) and now have to face the BON/NCLEX thing. This is proving to be very difficult. My misdemeanor is over ten years old (I posted something yesterday, asking questions; you can see it on the message board), and truly it has been a non-issue for me all these years. I unfortunately never checked to see if it was truly expunged, so I'm going to do that now. I truly believed that I was not denying anything, because I was always told that if my record was expunged, I didn't have to admit it unless specifically asked details.

    It seems that you're straightening everything out now, even before going into school. Good for you. That will save you from any surprises at the end, which is what my situation is.

    Good luck with your school applications!
  13. Visit  katex03} profile page
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    Well I applied to take the entrance exam at 2 other schools along with filling out applicstions, but I didnt disclose it in the application. I'm just going to hope I have the courage to bring it up if I get the chance to have an interview. I just feel so nervous even thinking of what to say and how to say it during an interview, I would just think it would make the interview go negative unless they think I was brave for being honest and still like me for how it was already going.

    I worry so much, I hate it! I also got an email saying that I will be emailed a date to go meet with that original program director who rejected me, again nerveracking!!




    Quote from db2xs

    I disclosed the information on the online application for admissions, not during the interview. I am getting ready to graduate with a BSN in May (decided to forego the MSN) and now have to face the BON/NCLEX thing. This is proving to be very difficult. My misdemeanor is over ten years old (I posted something yesterday, asking questions; you can see it on the message board), and truly it has been a non-issue for me all these years. I unfortunately never checked to see if it was truly expunged, so I'm going to do that now. I truly believed that I was not denying anything, because I was always told that if my record was expunged, I didn't have to admit it unless specifically asked details.

    It seems that you're straightening everything out now, even before going into school. Good for you. That will save you from any surprises at the end, which is what my situation is.

    Good luck with your school applications!
  14. Visit  shaggy77} profile page
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    Sorry it's taken me so long to respond!! I haven't been on here in awhile. The way I look at it, is everyone makes mistakes. Some people get theirs caught, and many more do not. That's why I don't believe in judging people too harshly. Many people can get into an argument and maybe even push and shove one another, and the next thing you know, you're charged w/ A&B. So I understand where you're coming from. A&B looks bad, because there's a worry about violence toward a patient, but your bigger problem is the possession charge, especially if it was a narcotic. There are so many variables involved, it's hard for me to predict anything for you. And I'm not by any means qualified to give legal advice. I would, however, advise you to do a complete background check on yourself to start with. You need to see what the school is seeing when they look you up. Just because someone at court or wherever said that your stuff was dismissed doesn't mean things aren't popping up. Once you know where you stand background check-wise, you can then see about getting that stuff off of your record.

    It also depends on what state you live in, and what their rules and laws are. I'm in Florida and things are strict here. I was very lucky that my misdm was able to be sealed, or I would be totally screwed. I also sealed everything up, and petitioned the BON for an exemption which they granted--BEFORE I ever even attempted nursing school. I really believe that cleared a path for me. I also go to a Community College, which is different here than the private schools. I believe private schools are more strict because they are more expensive. You will owe them out the ears by the time you are finished, and they want to make sure you are employable so you'll be able to pay your loans back. That's why, from where they look at it, they won't take anybody that has any kind of legal issues, even if you stole a piece of gum when you were five, they will reject you because they worry nobody will hire you when you're done, which is not entirely true, but that's how the private schools are seeing it. If you've been in trouble for possession of narcotics, it may depend on how long ago it was and how you've changed since.

    Your BON may want to see evidence of how you've stayed clean (it doesn't matter if you had a "problem" or not, the way they see it, you did). You've got to look at how these establishments are seeing you, not how you see you. The BON really likes it when you go to NA or AA, it shows that you are making a concerted effort to stay on the "straight" and narrow path. They are leary of anyone w/ drug or alcohol issues because they worry how a person will handle being around drugs all day, and if you will come to work drunk, high or hung over and maybe endanger patient safety. That's how they are looking at it.

    You've got to get with your Clerk of Court, go down there, and ask for a disposition of your charges. You need to determine exactly where you stand in the legal system. Were you convicted? Was adjudication withheld? Did you have to do probation? What many people don't understand is that even if your weren't convicted and the charges were dismissed, you still have an arrest record. An arrest record is different than a conviction record. An arrest record is your mugshot from when you were picked up by the cops. They are two separate things. In Florida, if a person gets arrested, but it's thrown out of court, anyone can google that person and see their arrest record. The person has to petition the Dept of Law Enforcement and pay $75 or more dollars to get that wiped off. It doesn't just go away because they weren't convicted. So I suggest that you first:


    1. Google yourself, check at least the first half dozen pages of your name. What do you find? What you find, anyone else can find also.


    2. Contact the Clerk of Court in the county where you were arrested. Ask for a disposition of all of your cases. Were you in fact convicted, if so, was adjudication withheld? It makes a big difference if it was NOT withheld, that's bad news. Did you successfully complete probation? If you served probation, you were convicted of something. As far as the BON and everyone else is concerned, even pre-trial intervention is considered a conviction of sorts.

    3. Go on the sheriff or police department's websites that arrested you. Search your name, does a mugshot come up, does an arrest record come up? Don't fool yourself into thinking that nobody is doing this to you. The school's do it all the time. Digging up dirt on someone is as easy as 1-2-3 these days with the internet, and it's FREE. You can find out so much about a person in a matter of seconds and it doesn't cost you a dime.

    4. Once you know where you stand, contact your state's Department of Law Enforcement and find out if you're eligible for a sealing of charges. In Florida, if a person was merely arrested, but never convicted, charges thrown out, etc...they can go straight for an expungement. Seal and expunge are two different things entirely, everyone thinks they're the same, they aren't.

    5. If need be, get a decent lawyer that works with record sealings, although I was able to do mine myself. Much cheaper. But it sounds like your case is a bit more complicated than mine was.

    6. Contact your BON and tell them straight up, what you've done, where you stand legally and are you eligible for an exemption? Don't make excuses, blame others or have long-winded explanations. A lot of people think this helps...it doesn't. The BON is all about personal responsibility. Keep it concise, let them know you want another chance to help others and be a nurse. Consider volunteer work and attending NA. This will look really good when you petition your BON for an exemption. Again, many people think attending NA makes them look guilty, like they're admitting they have a problem. As far as the BON and everyone else is concerned, you already do. You were arrested for narcotics. They are not going to want to listen to stories about how it was someone else's fault etc..not saying you would do that, but many others have and it just makes a person look irresponsible. The BON is big on "How have you changed since you got in trouble? What have you done to rehabilitate yourself?" They are HUGE on rehab. They need to see how a person has changed, improved.

    7. Do exactly as you're instructed to do by the DLC, BON and the schools you apply to. Fulfill their requirements and promptly.

    Good luck to you! If you need more help, have a question feel free to msg me. I know what a horrible feeling it is to be denied something you really want to do, and feel you would be good at, based on past errors in judgment.
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    Quote from mindlor
    From your tone you sound as though you are not in the US. That said, in the US you can secure a lawyer who will then help you to purge your record of those letters. If the charges were dismissed they should not be in your file or history.

    So my advice, speak to a good attorney.
    I realize this is an older post, however, sealing or expunging your record does not mean it won't be visible to nursing schools. They will still be able to see the charges or in your case, dropped cases. The only time sealing or expunging your record is beneficial is when your applying for a loan or a job that doesn't involve the government or healthcare. Any job with the US government or healthcare field is going to get a full, all inclusive background check no matter what.


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